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Second Nature Wilderness Program
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Again, you lie so much here that any "data" you present must be discarded. The source is no good, so the "data" is no good. You simply aren't up to the task.
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The source of the data is fornits, so you might have a point.
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Again, dummy, fornits is a message board, not an organization of data collectors. God, you're painfully stupid.
The source of any data is the programs themselves. You ask why there is "no data"? Well, because there is no mechanism for kids to report their abuse and the programs have a vested interest in keeping it out of the public's eye.
You dopes must have failed basic logic classes miserably. PROGRAMS claim to be effective. Therefore it is incumbent upon them to provide evidence thereof. 30 plus years and...NOTHING.
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You should go back and reread the thread. The data being collected is independent of the programs. The data is going to show which programs are represented here on fornits, programs donot have this information, you got all excited for no reason.
Troll Control:
so how will you account for thousands of unreported abuse cases? seems like your data will be worthless, as your model is a steaming pile. sorry, but it's true. you're not cut out for this type of exercise. your intelligence and education don't provide you the necessary intellectual horsepower to complete this task. that's apparent.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---so how will you account for thousands of unreported abuse cases? seems like your data will be worthless, as your model is a steaming pile. sorry, but it's true. you're not cut out for this type of exercise. your intelligence and education don't provide you the necessary intellectual horsepower to complete this task. that's apparent.
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Ha,Ha,Ha Sorry you have trouble reading, but we are taking a snap shot at the types of programs that are represented here on fornits, no place else. It wont be reporting abuse ....just a cross section of representation during a predefined time period... the boundary conditions will be simple (one year, a single post or more, program name will define a single data point).....Probably be presented in a pareto type format.
It will give new comers an idea of which programs are represented most here on fornits, it should prove interesting to the rest of us. If it proves to give you heartburn you can just ignore it, there is plenty of data that I choose to ignore because I dont agree with a particular boundary condition or the source of information is not broad enough, it sometimes motivates me to have a separate study done just to compare results.
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Oz girl:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---OzGirl- This is not a "mean spirited camp". It also does not claim to cure all ills or disorders. It is an opportunity to get therapeutic help in the outdoor environment, learn many wilderness skills (which gives the kids a lot of pride and sense of accompishment) and take a needed break from the dysfunction that has developed at home, school and in the community. The kids do a solo for 1 to 2 days, where they are by themselves at a campsite, read, write and take care of themselves. This is all good- the therapeutic techniques are successful. Yes, there is some coercion involved and there may be some harsh words. Welcome to life. These are kids who need a good kick in the ass and parents who do as well. Both get said kick! If you think the therapists are gentle with the parents, you are sorely wrong.
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Perhaps you can explain to me what is not mean spirited about a group punishment like getting all kids out of bed to hike because one broke the rules? Or being forced to read an impact letter full of very raw private emotions to a group of semi strangers? How many parents would willingly do the same at work or at the local golf club or church?
This idea that everyone needs a good kick in the ass is erroneous too. If you look at the Second nature website you will see that along with delinquency self harm, aspergers and clinical depression are all "treated" with the second nature kick in the ass. So are learning differences. Why should a kid with a genuine medical condition be punished for it? How precisely does such a kick in the ass literally or figeratively help a kid with Aspergers? What school of psychiatry recommends this as a treatment for clinical depression.
You also erroneously assume that I fit into the camp who believes that parents who choose this option are all bad people. This is not so. I appreciate that due to a variety of circumstances many feel that this is the answer that will make their unhappy child whole again. I don't believe in tough love for either kids or their parents. It is assinine and barbaric regardless of who is on the receiving end. But no kid can vote with their feet and opt out the way a parent can.
Troll Control:
ok, then. go ahead and get on it. enjoy. just go into it understanding that because of your history of lying and manipulating you won't be believed by anyone except the most raw newcomer. have at it!
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