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Che Gookin:
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--- Quote from: ""Mao Gookin"" ---I'm willing to go with my instincts on this subject of programs. My instincts say burn em all down.
Take your study and shove it.
Anyone got some matches?
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Why dont people want to see studies done?
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This was my expected response from most here on fornits. Many here hide behind studies that haven’t been done and hope that none are done. The thought of putting it all on the table, running a study which would show how effective these places are would essentially bring all your arguments to a halt and I think that scares most of you because that would force you to look elsewhere for the root cause of your anger (maybe inward?).
Once the studies show that 99.9% of the kids do well how could you justify (to yourself) that the school was at fault and on top of that you couldn’t blame your parents anymore for their decision to send you (sort of a double hit most of you would take).
The scarcity of studies is what keeps everyone here going.
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Effectiveness has nothing to do with it.
The deprivation of civil liberties has everything to do with it. To top it off the reports on this thread show a clear disregard for human rights as well that occur at this shitpit on a daily basis.
Fuck the studies.
Get me some gasoline and burn baby burn.
TheWho:
fornits has had the opportunity and information to organize some data but has never done it (or more accurately never posted it) because it would show trends that are not too favorable to their position. We would see that out of the 500 or so programs only a handful are ineffective which would blow their position that the entire industry is bad. This is why people dont name the schools, they just make blanket statements about the industry to keep it vague.
I organized a small segment of data (suicides and Homicides) which once I posted here didnt fit their argument and have since rejected it (although to date no one could find an error in the data).
There are a reported (up to 30,000 kids) who attend these programs each year and maybe five or six come here to report problems. Your ivy league schools get more complaints than that.
Organized data is not accepted at fornits so we wont be seeing much of it readily posted here anytime soon.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---fornits has had the opportunity and information to organize some data but has never done it (or more accurately never posted it) because it would show trends that are not too favorable to their position. We would see that out of the 500 or so programs only a handful are ineffective which would blow their position that the entire industry is bad. This is why people dont name the schools, they just make blanket statements about the industry to keep it vague.
I organized a small segment of data (suicides and Homicides) which once I posted here didnt fit their argument and have since rejected it (although to date no one could find an error in the data).
There are a reported (up to 30,000 kids) who attend these programs each year and maybe five or six come here to report problems. Your ivy league schools get more complaints than that.
Organized data is not accepted at fornits so we wont be seeing much of it readily posted here anytime soon.
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What a cast-iron crock of shit this is. Anyone who knows anything about these places knows that this is far from the truth.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---fornits has had the opportunity and information to organize some data but has never done it (or more accurately never posted it) because it would show trends that are not too favorable to their position. We would see that out of the 500 or so programs only a handful are ineffective which would blow their position that the entire industry is bad. This is why people dont name the schools, they just make blanket statements about the industry to keep it vague.
I organized a small segment of data (suicides and Homicides) which once I posted here didnt fit their argument and have since rejected it (although to date no one could find an error in the data).
There are a reported (up to 30,000 kids) who attend these programs each year and maybe five or six come here to report problems. Your ivy league schools get more complaints than that.
Organized data is not accepted at fornits so we wont be seeing much of it readily posted here anytime soon.
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What a cast-iron crock of shit this is. Anyone who knows anything about these places knows that this is far from the truth.
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Fornits has a golden opportunity to organize and collect data....number of programs, names of programs, types etc.... but has never done it or reported the results. A simple Pareto showing the top 5 programs with complaints reported here at fornits would be a good start.
I think we all know why (because the results would not support the position held here) and it is easier to turn a blind eye to the facts and just use the gasoline and match mentality as mentioned above.
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Troll Control:
Fornits is a MESSAGE BOARD, dumbass. Not an organization built to collect data. Cripes, shut the fuck up already with your nonsense.
The INDUSTRY has had over THIRTY YEARS to provide evidence of efficacy and has provided exactly NOTHING.
TheWho, you are an asshole. A know-nothing asshole at that.
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