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Second Nature Wilderness Program
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Oz girl"" ---even if there were clinical studies what would they be based on anyway? Because if it was " good behaviour" I would not be surprised if some kids were scared straight. What any study would need to show is the direct link between the mean spirited camp and the the ability to cure in the long term mental illness, drug addiction as well as every other catchall bogus illness like oppositional defiant disorder. It would have to compare the kids to those with exactly the same symptoms in places that do not have second nature or any other such ridiculous camps. Where would they even get a sample group that wide outside of the tbs system? Most professional drug counsellors, doctors or psychs dont have the levelt of hubris required to believe that they can cure such a wide range of complex issues with a single program or philosophy. It is only the buffoons within this industry who do.
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One approach......The study could consist of a large sample of children who attend a program over time. The children could be loosely classified (i.e. ADD, drug problems, depression etc.) The programs could be classified (i.e. TBS, Wilderness, boot camp) (maybe a sub category on model used at TBS) and children who did not attend a program (ADD, drug problems, depression) treatment could be categorized as (none or local therapist etc.).
If the samples were large enough many of the nuances would shake themselves out (i.e. degree of depression, level of ADD, predisposed to addiction etc.)… if the kids were tracked for 5+ years after treatment a trend may surface and differences should be able to be measured between treatment methods and non treatment.
Much thought would have to go into setting up the study and screening the children as participants as well as to have a large enough sample to allow for fall out (kids who drop out or stop seeing their therapist).
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Che Gookin:
I'm willing to go with my instincts on this subject of programs. My instincts say burn em all down.
Take your study and shove it.
Anyone got some matches?
Anonymous:
OzGirl- This is not a "mean spirited camp". It also does not claim to cure all ills or disorders. It is an opportunity to get therapeutic help in the outdoor environment, learn many wilderness skills (which gives the kids a lot of pride and sense of accompishment) and take a needed break from the dysfunction that has developed at home, school and in the community. The kids do a solo for 1 to 2 days, where they are by themselves at a campsite, read, write and take care of themselves. This is all good- the therapeutic techniques are successful. Yes, there is some coercion involved and there may be some harsh words. Welcome to life. These are kids who need a good kick in the ass and parents who do as well. Both get said kick! If you think the therapists are gentle with the parents, you are sorely wrong.
Che Gookin:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---OzGirl- This is not a "mean spirited camp". ............... Yes, there is some coercion involved and there may be some harsh words..........
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Lols.. epic..
taken from their own homepage
It also does not claim to cure all ills or disorders
--- Quote ---Teen Depression
Learning Differences
Processing Disorder (Visual, Auditory)
Oppositional Defiant Disorder
Mild Eating Disorder Treatment
Attention Deficit Disorder
Gender Specific Issues
Self-Mutilation Treatment (Cutting)
Reactive Attachment Disorder Treatment (Attachment Disorder)
Social skill deficits: non-verbal learning disorders and Asperger traits (or PDD)
Substance Abuse
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They treat all this with their once a week visit from the "therapist"?
Wank wank wank...
Che Gookin:
Even more entertaining.. All of the founders worked for Aspen programs before starting SN.
All of them went to Bingham Young University.
I'm pretty sure all of them are mormons.
I bet if I dig around more I can make a connection to these shitbags to a wwasp program/owner.
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