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Second Nature Wilderness Program
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Anecdotal "evidence" from an anonymous program critic means nothing. Please show CLINICAL evidence that Second Nature is abusive. Otherwise, you're just another full-of-shit liar...
Post the evidence that proves what you're saying or shut up.
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Are you joking? Can humans exist that are so ignorant? Of COURSE there's no such thing as "clinical evidenceâ€
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Anecdotal "evidence" from an anonymous program critic means nothing. Please show CLINICAL evidence that Second Nature is abusive. Otherwise, you're just another full-of-shit liar...
Post the evidence that proves what you're saying or shut up.
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Damn right. Lots of talk, but when you ask them to back it up with evidence they come up with zilch. Keep on truckin' buddy, it sure is nice to see someone out there with a BRAIN for a change... This site is full of retards!
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I never said it was abusive, although I think it is.
But I asked you a simple question: Where is the clinical evidence that Second Nature's "brand" of "therapy" works in any way, shape or form?
Please answer that question for me.
BTW, this anon poster is the one FKA "Wild Fig," just so you know who you're dealing with here - one of the most prolific trolls ever to grace fornits.
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We are waiting for the clinical studies that show the program to be abusive. There are some people here who claim it is.
Just provide a link
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Your intellect is tragically, hopelessly non-functional. Abuse is reported, not studied in clinical trials.
Now, Second Nature is selling a service which you and they claim to be "successful" at "treating" teens with various and sundry pathologies. Please show the clinical trial data that shows attendees of SN show statistically significant improvemnt of their professionally diagnosed presenting problems.
It's not that deep of a concept.
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: ""a voice from nobody"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Anecdotal "evidence" from an anonymous program critic means nothing. Please show CLINICAL evidence that Second Nature is abusive. Otherwise, you're just another full-of-shit liar...
Post the evidence that proves what you're saying or shut up.
--- End quote ---
Damn right. Lots of talk, but when you ask them to back it up with evidence they come up with zilch. Keep on truckin' buddy, it sure is nice to see someone out there with a BRAIN for a change... This site is full of retards!
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I never said it was abusive, although I think it is.
But I asked you a simple question: Where is the clinical evidence that Second Nature's "brand" of "therapy" works in any way, shape or form?
Please answer that question for me.
BTW, this anon poster is the one FKA "Wild Fig," just so you know who you're dealing with here - one of the most prolific trolls ever to grace fornits.
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We are waiting for the clinical studies that show the program to be abusive. There are some people here who claim it is.
Just provide a link
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There are no studies, just stories, trust me, dont hold your breath. Second Nature has been very successful.
Anonymous:
A Mom- Yes, I have been to transition, to the Duchesne office and met all of the principals and many other staff. I have interviewed several of the lead therapists and have spent many hours studying Second Nature. I am more impressed with the program and the staff all the time. It continues to develop and improve and has impacted many families in an astonishingly positive way.
Oz girl:
even if there were clinical studies what would they be based on anyway? Because if it was " good behaviour" I would not be surprised if some kids were scared straight. What any study would need to show is the direct link between the mean spirited camp and the the ability to cure in the long term mental illness, drug addiction as well as every other catchall bogus illness like oppositional defiant disorder. It would have to compare the kids to those with exactly the same symptoms in places that do not have second nature or any other such ridiculous camps. Where would they even get a sample group that wide outside of the tbs system? Most professional drug counsellors, doctors or psychs dont have the levelt of hubris required to believe that they can cure such a wide range of complex issues with a single program or philosophy. It is only the buffoons within this industry who do.
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