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Second Nature Wilderness Program
Anonymous:
According to you, having the kid "abducted" is also illegal. I guess you think parents should allow a teen to destroy the family and property and continue to do whatever he or she wants to do. What will it be? Wilderness and a chance at repairing the damage that has been done and saving the kid's future or life on the streets?
Have you met the principals of Second Nature? No, I didn't think so.
Anonymous:
It's people like you who complain about Guantanimo.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---According to you, having the kid "abducted" is also illegal. I guess you think parents should allow a teen to destroy the family and property and continue to do whatever he or she wants to do. What will it be? Wilderness and a chance at repairing the damage that has been done and saving the kid's future or life on the streets?
Have you met the principals of Second Nature? No, I didn't think so.
--- End quote ---
The parents are more than welcome to actually act like parents from the day their child is born. When the going gets tough they are more than welcome to stick by their child rather than subcontracting out their responsibilites. Much like most parents who send their kids to programs probably did before that point of no return in their child's life. The nannies, the baby sitters, the day cares, the computer, the TV, the wide variety of other things parents rely on to raise their children rather than being arsed to do it themselves.
Frankly parents are more than welcome to a bucket full of shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down for a change. They ought to take the damn time to listen to their kids on a regular basis rather than dismissing them as no essential baggage that takes time away from work, the club, or the golf course.
Second nature sells a false bill of goods. I've seen to many reports from survivors for me to believe in what is being sold by this fraudulent company.
I see the possibility of a strong connection right back to synanon that exists in the company.
The founders came from Aspen Achievement Academy. A notorious haven for CEDU influences from days gone by. If you want to expose your child to an organization that more than likely was influenced from the get go by a cult that is your choice.
Sad fucking deal that you are the one making that choice for your child. In the end really that is what it is mostly about.
Setting aside the abuse, the neglect, and the bullshit none of you miserable excuses of parents should ever have the power to place their kids in these places.
No child in second nature ever got a day in court.
Sad fucking shame that.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---According to you, having the kid "abducted" is also illegal. I guess you think parents should allow a teen to destroy the family and property and continue to do whatever he or she wants to do. What will it be? Wilderness and a chance at repairing the damage that has been done and saving the kid's future or life on the streets?
Have you met the principals of Second Nature? No, I didn't think so.
--- End quote ---
So let me get this straight you think it's LEGAL, to "throw a child out of the house?
Answer the question, troll: What is your connection to second nature?
(I'm guessing your going to claim that you're a parent. Then you hide our financial motivation, without having to give day to day details of life inside, which is harder for people to fake)
It is illegal to hire people to abduct your child. The trouble is, unlike the law of abandonment, this law is not routinely enforced. Sometimes it is, though. Parents have been found guilty of child endangerment when tying to send their kids to TB. Kids are reluctant to persue charges against their own parents, and DA's are reluctant to take these cases. A kid was BEATEN to death in the a floridian boot camp. The beaters were found not guilty because "pain compliance" was an approved tactic by the boot camp. This beating death was video-taped. It's hard to get the laws enforced, but they're there. And it;s only a matter of time before some kid, who is willing to cause suffering to his parents, and finds an honest and brave DA, persues charges
Anonymous:
Why are you talking about TB and Florida boot camps? I thought this was about Second Nature. Oh wait, you really don't know anything about Second Nature that is bad, do you?
Interesting how the kids who attend Second Nature don't seem to be flocking to this thread or this forum at all? Could they possibly have gotten a lot of benefit from the program and moved on with their lives?
I have plenty of knowledge about what goes on at the program and there are many kids who will share their experiences with you. They hate it when they arrive, but within a few weeks they realize it is where they need to be. Yes, there are exceptions. If a kid is not suited to Second Nature or has serious psychiatric issues, the staff will refer them somewhere else. They are not in it for the money. It is long, hard days and a lot of hard work running a therapeutic program.
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