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Second Nature Wilderness Program
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---It serves the purpose of giving parents a break from their difficult duty of managing their troubled teens lives for them. The myth of innocence among program students is greatly exaggerated.
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Guilt? Innocence? Those are words are evoked when describing punishment for crimes. But you are providing "treatment", I thought.
People aren't "guilty" or "innocent" of mental illness. What these cults do is get people to confuse mental illness with being naughty.. The parents can feel angry at their child's “guiltâ€
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---they are VERY dangerous. They know the secrets of human oppression, manipulation, and destruction for personal game. And they aren't afraid to use these secrets to their advantage
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Sounds a lot like my ex-wife.
Anonymous:
Second Nature is not a cult program and its principals are not sociopaths. They are highly educated therapists and care tremendously about each kid that goes through the program. They have no desire to harm or oppress anyone.
The teens who are there are, for the most part, young adults who were behaving very destructively and were in danger of seriously hurting themselves or others by their conduct, or else in danger of eliminating all chances for a positive future. Parents who don't care would just kick them out of the house and never give it a second thought instead of giving their child a chance to learn and grow in a therapeutic wilderness environment.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Second Nature is not a cult program and its principals are not sociopaths. They are highly educated therapists and care tremendously about each kid that goes through the program. They have no desire to harm or oppress anyone.
The teens who are there are, for the most part, young adults who were behaving very destructively and were in danger of seriously hurting themselves or others by their conduct, or else in danger of eliminating all chances for a positive future. Parents who don't care would just kick them out of the house and never give it a second thought instead of giving their child a chance to learn and grow in a therapeutic wilderness environment.
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Actually, "just kicking your kid out of the house" is illegal. You must have been absent that day in general knowledge class, as a highly educated therapist. Fictitous being, what is your supposed connection to second nature,which was set up by a former abducter and forced march overseer from aspen education.
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---It's not a matter of "deserving" it.
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Ok.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---It's a matter of trying to help the teen, and wilderness programs DO help a lot.
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How? Prove it. 30 years among scores of programs and no fucking evidence yet. Ho hum.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---It's another matter to keep the lessons going after the program, however.
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You mean when the brainwashing wears off when the reinforcement is gone?
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---The above poster is obviously one of the dissatisfied customers- in the minority by a long ways.
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If you say so. I'm still waiting to see proof they do any help at all.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Agree that the myth of innocent program attendees is just that- a myth.
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Says who? You?
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Kids that make it to wilderness are really struggling with some serious issues and need a "time out" from their life at home to figure it all out.
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a) Says who? There is no criteria for being sent off to a program except if the parent has the money and signs off on it. You can't say they have serious issues because there is no diagnostics and no criteria for them at all what so fucking ever!
b) "Time out" is helpful how? What medical criteria exists for that from a therapeutic standpoint. How is isolation and seclusion GOOD or USEFUL at all? Its rather punitive and makes people suffer to go through, but I guess because some two-bit programmie says so it is so? You're using terms that demean and make light of what is actually being done to try to condone it.
Being stuck with people who treat you bad who you have to depend on for survival in an austere, shitty environment is not therapeutic. Not for a day, not for months - its pretty fucking obvious what its about to anyone who has any empathy or imagination at all.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---They are not sociopaths (some might be) and they are not being punished- they are simply being given the opportunity to turn things around for themselves with some excellent professional help.
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So being around under or non-trained twats in the woods, filthy and depending on the same people who instigate emotional and psychological suffering upon you for months on end, completely isolated and trapped and coerced is an "opportunity" to "turn things around".. how so? How does talking about what someone makes you talk about and having your buttons pushed in the woods or a desert help anything?
Why the isolation?
And how are they excellent professionals?? Where are the credentials or the proof this shit fucking works at all?
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