Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Second Nature Wilderness Program
Lain the Odd:
Get me in touch with these hundreds of pleased Second Nature families, if you would. I'd love to hear from them. Make sure the kids are in there too.
Yeah.. that sounds suspiciously like another cult: Scientology parishioners, whether professional auditors, Scientology Volunteer Ministers or one of the many millions of Scientologists belonging to groups, missions and churches around the world, continue to use the Scientology Creed on a daily basis to improve conditions in life.
Now, as anyone familiar with either that particular one or marketing techniques used by such can tell you, there aren't millions of scientologists. There aren't even 50,000. It's the same with 'pleased Second Nature families', only I would argue that those are probably even more a myth. The same argument applies here - show us the evidence. Given the mass of personal, professional, and researched thought against such programs, the burden of proof is with you. Give it your best shot.
Che Gookin:
Funny how they say, "satisfied families" isn't it? Never knew the whole family was out tromping around in the woods being treated like an animal.
What the parents think and believe is not important. They didn't survive the experience they merely endured it from the comfort of their homes.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Lain the Odd"" ---Get me in touch with these hundreds of pleased Second Nature families, if you would. I'd love to hear from them. Make sure the kids are in there too.
Yeah.. that sounds suspiciously like another cult: Scientology parishioners, whether professional auditors, Scientology Volunteer Ministers or one of the many millions of Scientologists belonging to groups, missions and churches around the world, continue to use the Scientology Creed on a daily basis to improve conditions in life.
Now, as anyone familiar with either that particular one or marketing techniques used by such can tell you, there aren't millions of scientologists. There aren't even 50,000. It's the same with 'pleased Second Nature families', only I would argue that those are probably even more a myth. The same argument applies here - show us the evidence. Given the mass of personal, professional, and researched thought against such programs, the burden of proof is with you. Give it your best shot.
--- End quote ---
I think what we know is thousands of kids have gone thru second nature. What have we seen maybe 5 here on fornits who didnt benefit? I think that is the evidence.
Lain the Odd:
Alright.
Now, consider this.
Not all of such victims are familiar with this random forum.
Either way, you're dodging the point. You say all these families were so wonderfully helped (and as noted, it doesn't matter in the least what the families think.. but still)? Show us.
Che Gookin:
I wouldn't bother showing me. I don't give a damn if the program is helpful or not. Any program that disregards civil liberties and human rights is a no go for me.
Second Nature does this every single time they take a kid who was drug out of his bed.
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