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Second Nature Wilderness Program
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---My daughter went to SNWP Georgia. She was there for 12 weeks. I went through the transition program at the end of her stay. Her therapist was really good. We had weekly hour phone conferences with the therapist. My daughter still keeps in contact with the staff and her therapist from time to time. My daughter has nothing but good things to say about the program and thinks it did her a world of good. She felt strong, introspective and accomplished at the end. We were all pleased with it.
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Fucking press release bullshit.
Nobody talks like that. Nobody stays in touch with people from a program.
Nobody says "I'm strong introspective and accomplished".
What the FUCK? :rofl:
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Nihilanthic"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---My daughter went to SNWP Georgia. She was there for 12 weeks. I went through the transition program at the end of her stay. Her therapist was really good. We had weekly hour phone conferences with the therapist. My daughter still keeps in contact with the staff and her therapist from time to time. My daughter has nothing but good things to say about the program and thinks it did her a world of good. She felt strong, introspective and accomplished at the end. We were all pleased with it.
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Fucking press release bullshit.
Nobody talks like that. Nobody stays in touch with people from a program.
Nobody says "I'm strong introspective and accomplished".
What the FUCK? :rofl:
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Niles, it is because you are too far removed from the families and kids that attend and have never attended yourself and therefore cannot relate. That is almost exactly what my daughter experienced and the rest of the kids in her group seemed to be doing well when they left also.
The staff at SUWS were really good people and my daughter talks fondly of them to this day and wonders how they are doing and even mentions she would like to contact them someday to let them know how well she is doing and to see how they are.
The lack of understanding on your part shows first that you are not a parent and secondly that you have never had any experience with the industry. The reaction and experience that you just read is the norm, whether you want to believe it or not. Most of the BS you read on fornits are kids who had a hard time or who never should have attended in the first place. Anyone can throw a story up of how they were abused or hurt by the experience but these are isolated cases at best and don’t reflect the good that wilderness programs do for families.
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Anonymous:
Who is correct on this. My kid did keep in touch with the wilderness therapist and staff and valued the experience. Second Nature and SUWS are successful, valued programs and most (not all, but most) kids come out with positive feelings about the program and the staff.
Covergaard:
They claim that the place is not for troubled teens.
But during my work on Fornits Wiki with places that is for troubled teens, I have interviewed many, who have started their journey at 2nd Nature.
So is it fair to say that they create a product that it suitable for these places? That the kids are not trouble when they enter, but made troubled so they fit the facilities they will be shipped to?
My friend got the Wiki entry completed and it looks like this.
Another question are whether they measure their quality. Do they have some kind of statistic about the number who needs "after-care". At a place like Anasazi only 10 % needs aftercare. At SUWS the number is 60%.
Source:
Theoretical Basis, process and reported Outcomes of Wilderness, Therapy as an Intervention and Treatment for problem behavior in Adolescents, by Keith C. Russell, Idaho University, page 23
Che Gookin:
Didn't I already completely trash Second Nature due to their use of Synonan methodology and false advertising?
I mean what the hell? Are we going over this again? The kids see their damn therapists at most 1 time a week.
You can get the same for cheaper by putting your wayward teen in a tent in your backyard and driving him to the head tweaker yourself.
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