Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
the French Documentary on Tranquility Bay/WWASPS
Anonymous:
Great post.
001010:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-20 16:14:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Yeah - that's the one I'm talking about.
It recently aired in Australia.
I feel confident we'll eventually be able to get it.
It must be very eye opening for WWASP to be suing to keep it out of the country.
Seems like that would raise some interest with the first Amendment folks - the media hounds and so on.
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Okay, sorry. I guess it is the same one. I only have a segment of the film where a mother talks about what her son went through, and then the abuser, Randall Hinton, admits to the camera and the interviewer that he pepper-sprayed the boy several times a day for months at a time. Hinton also hog-tied the kid for hours on end in solitary confinement, dragged him, busted his chin, chipped a tooth, made him wear a diaper made out of a trash bag, and scrubbed his genitals with a toilet brush covered in pepper-spray. Ken Kay and another staff member were also present and helping when this incident happened, according to the boy's sworn testimony.
I'd like to see some of these "program supporters" watch this and tell me it's for a "greater good." :roll:
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CCM girl 1989:
I hope that somebody has been able to get a copy of this video. We really need to get this out folks!
What a bunch of sickos, how do they live with themselves??? I just don't know.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-21 12:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
They are kids whose parents are too busy to deal with even normal teenage behavior who hear about these programs typically by word of mouth or on the Internet.
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--- Quote ---It's an effing racket that will never go away as long as their is DEMAND. The best anyone can hope for is that these program kids grow up to be better parents, lawyers and law makers ... to reverse the trend in time to save the next generation of kids from being ... well, SAVED, by evil, greedy, emotionally regressive people dressed up like Teen Helpers.
:smokin: "
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I agree with this with one caveat. I don't know if very many of the parents are just too busy. I have heard of it from former program employees and it sure seems like that's the motive on the surface. But I think there's something more going on here.
First off, I have to say that wasn't my parents' motive. They were not wealthy people. They didn't have anything better to do with themselves. And the way the Seed was set up, it took a LOT of time and effort on the part of most of the parents. Not all, some just dropped their kids off one day and never were very involved themselves. But for the majority, it's something else, and something that I think has crept into our society on a grand scale and going back to the turn of the last century.
In this brave new world of ours, you can buy damned near anything. Trouble sleeping? Take a pill. Emotional upset? Here's another. Romantic problems? Call Dr. Phil or watch Oprah. They'll solve your problems for you, right kiddies?
I'd love to see some kind of serious study into the social influences of people most likely to buy into the Program. You can guess some of it. Where did they advertise before the net went commercial a decade or so ago? Well, they got all kinds of endorsements from daytime talk shows. I never have been able to stomach those. Who the hell wants to sit around watching strangers blubbering over the intimate details of their private lives for the entertainment of their live studio and tee vee viewling audience?
Not me! It makes my stomach turn. I spent two years locked into a fucked up place where I had to do that all day every day and pretend to like it. Thank GOD that's over! Why would I want to subject myself to it now when I can turn the idiot box off and listen to some good music and read a book or have some thoughtful conversation w/ you folks instead?
But just look at the ratings! These shows are popular. I'd be willing to bet good money, too, that there's significant crossover between this audience and Program parents.
We have arrived at a place in history where people will actually dump a friend or lover, alter their diets, sell their homes and move, change careers or make other important, life changing decisions just because some blow dried exhibitionist/voyer freak show celebrity on the idiot box says so. So of course they're easy game for these self appointed teenager wrangling gurus!
The Troubled Parent industry is, I think, a perfectly predictable outgrowth of that. They take it one step further, though, in declaring "disordered" any kid who doesn't see the sense of doing whatever that freak, Phil McGraw advises.
THAT has GOT to change if we're to save civilization. And I think program vets are a natural to bring that about. Because we got a particularly potent slice of it, in order to make sense of life and hang onto our own sanity, we've had to examine this fucked up shit more closely than your typical Wall-Mart shopper.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy (1917-63), U.S. Democratic politician, president. Speech, 13 March 1962, the White House.
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-22 08:04:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:
"I hope that somebody has been able to get a copy of this video. We really need to get this out folks!
What a bunch of sickos, how do they live with themselves??? I just don't know.
"
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I want to see it too. But w/ great trepidation. Look who's talkin'; the French. We have over 200 years of often contentious sibling rivalry w/ France. As an example, a good old friend of mine and my dad's survived the Normandy Landing. Sure, that day there were parades in the streets and ongoing celebration like only our slutty little sister can do (sorry, I had to! LOL) But from that time forward, the French have gone back to their recalcitrant, stubborn insistance that they would have done just as well without our help. It wasn't until sometime around 2001 that my friend finally got a certificate of gratitude from France for taking part in that action.
I expect these guys will have done a thorough and very telling piece of documentary art. I also expect a good deal of editorializing and attribution. Some of that will likely be right on the mark, the French knowing us as well as they do--being as close to kin as two nations can be. But some of it will be... just mean spirited, inflamatory and destructive (the nature of sorority relationships being as it is)
It will need a rejoinder. I hope a good one comes out of our camp somehow and that it gets more viewership and thoughtful critical treatment than the trite, insipid response we usually see from the kool aid drinkers.
A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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