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ANTI-HATE GROUP PROTEST HAD STARTED

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GregFL:
Cant we all just get along?

R. King, after taking a major smackdown.


[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-02-28 14:33 ]

marcwordsmith:
Thank you to the protesters. I appreciate what you're doing, on behalf of all of us. Thank you for having the courage to get out there and shed some light on the atrocious deeds of Sembler and others.

I too think that Stripe's posts have been consistently thoughtful, articulate, fair, brave, and honest, and I was surprised to see Ft. Lauderdale attack her personally in this thread. I was also surprised that Lauderdale mocked the anti-hate/anti-straight protests, and seemed to suggest that protesting itself is some kind of ludicrous relic from the 1960s. God help us if that's true; if that's the case, we can really kiss our democracy goodbye.

It's actually been a cleverly used right-wing propaganda tactic, I think, that you see expressed in the media from time to time--dismissing the relevance of any type of protest by deeming it "reminiscent of the sixties."

I'll also say that, though Lauderdale is explicitly on the other side of the fence from me in these discussions about the Seed, it's also warmed me at times to read his friendly, funny posts, like when he's teased Greg about his sex appeal and so forth. I think that's sane and beautiful. What the heck, we're all here now, posting on the internet; we might as well lighten up with each other.

As for similarities and dissimilarities between The Seed and subsequent programs, I learned A TON by reading Maia Szalavitz's outstanding book, Help At Any Cost. I cannot recommend it highly enough, especially for anyone who wants an overview of the big picture of the "teen help" industry, both historically and currently. Excellently written too. A fascinating read. She's done a public service by writing this book and I hope it gets around.

GregFL:
I really mean it.  I wish we could somehow just "get along".  I also understand this is an emotional issue and understand how people get offended.  

Hell, I stayed offended for over 20 years anytime anyone disagreed with me about the seed, my feelings were so strong and personal.  I sometimes see Ft lauderdale and others like him as the antithesis of me for all those years, so I tend to understand as we used to say "where they are coming from".  Then at times when I see Ginger or Stripe or someone else get emotional about someone's comment, I identify with that also.  Sometimes a comment seems to touch an ancient pain or pick an old wound.

All in all, I like the people who post here. I understand that us "all getting along" is a big order and at times even impossible.  Still, we have done what I never thought possible, and that is unite people on this  very devisive issue.  This in itself is a big accomplishment

I am rambling and I will shut up.

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2006-02-28 11:16:00, cleveland wrote:

He was always ready to help anyone . . .

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. . . except for infidels.
All thinking men are atheists.
--Ernest Hemingway, American author
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Antigen:
Well, I really do want to get along. I want to know what the hell happened. But there are things happening now, right now, that I can't and won't pretend don't matter.

That wonderful, insidious Utopian dream that drew people into the Seed is now manifesting itself in the death of kids like  FloridaTreasure.

We were kids when we got sucked up into that laviathan. We're the grown ups now. Now we're tasked with salvaging all that was good and condemning all that was wrong of the all that our parents and grandparents had to teach us. I understand people who just want to tend their own yard and not delve too deeply into this.

But if you want to throw down, be ready to defend your position. If you're not, then don't.


If they can get you to ask the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers

--Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (Proverbs for Paranoids)
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