Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
Swan Lake 86-87 by Savage
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-20 17:28:00, odie wrote:
"Now that wasn't very nice of you to say DJ. If this person is going to be clean and sober for 20 years I'd say that is quite an accomplishment. I guess Daytop does some good after all. Never said it was for everyone but those of us that were one step from death like I was, it was a lifesaver. Oh and I'm clean and sober over 17 years and I credit what I experienced at Daytop for still being alive. I know you will never understand that DJ but before you want to demean anybody that actually had a good experience at Daytop ponder your own words in another thread. I believe it said something like Let people live their own lives. :wave:
If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good- and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working.
--Frank Zappa, American musician
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In all fairness to DJ, the guy really was a pompous ass. He sure was making some wild assumptions about his life.
Anonymous:
Hi me again the original poster. Youve uh just explained why you NEVER got it with your junkie w/out the pipe comment good work youve taken step one. Anyone thats sucessfully clean knows that their still a junkie, even if they dont get high anymore. So good job now take it to the next level.
odie:
I don't buy into that crap about once a junkie always a junkie. If you choose to spend the rest of your life in recovery, thats's fine. I choose to look at myself as a recovered addict. If you are not in recovery but a person with a belief system that a junkie will never change, well that's fine too, but that's your opinion.
It only takes a little prescience to understand that we're all fair game for the deeds we condone.
--Antigen
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Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2006-02-21 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi me again the original poster. Youve uh just explained why you NEVER got it with your junkie w/out the pipe comment good work youve taken step one. Anyone thats sucessfully clean knows that their still a junkie, even if they dont get high anymore. So good job now take it to the next level. "
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This is the prime example of exactly why places like Daytop RETARD PERSONAL GROWTH.
"I'm no good and will always be a junkie, even without the pipe."
Thanks, dude, you've just destroyed your own point. Saves me the work.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---In all fairness to DJ, the guy really was a pompous ass. He sure was making some wild assumptions about his life.
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Exactly my point about the "dopefiend mentality." What's easier, investing the requisite time to learn the facts or making a wild, invalid assumption? Of course, the junkie takes the easy way - the way that is no challenge to his thoughts or feelings, the assumption. Rather than deal with the problems life presents, they get high and even when sober still have employ the "dopefiend mentality" because it allows them to avoid any effort or introspection. This is precisely my point. He recieved no treatment because his thought proces is just as sick as the day he put down the needle.
This guy proves without a doubt, over and over, that the "treatment" he recieved did nothing except strip his pride to the degree where he can't even allow himself to be proud of his accomplishments because he's "still a junkie" and Daytop did the work, not him.
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