Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
Daytop doesn't deserve to exist
hanzomon4:
You can do a search of fornits in google like this
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""hanzomon4"" ---You can do a search of fornits in google like this
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Yup. Frustrating, though, I haven't figured out how to split it up by forum (within fornits). Sometimes your search term appears too many times, but you remember which forum it was in, so being able to narrow it down that way would help...
Deborah:
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Nope. Doesn't always work. I was searching for the post I made some time ago dealing with the WrapAround services in Milwaukee. Didn't turn up in the google search. Many others did, but not mine.
Anonymous:
Daytop New York was copied directly from Synanon by Monsignor O'Brien-- Synanon is the original American therapeutic community (TC). Any American TC has its roots in Synanon. Most see this as a sign of pride. In Europe, the phrase means something slightly different, but we aren't talking about Europe here.
You can read about it http://http://www.daytop.org/history.html-- there was a Synanon branch in Connecticut that O'Brien visited which "inspired" him.
So, whether or not Ricci attended in New York or Connecticut is immaterial: any early TC is directly based on Synanon and all later ones are either directly or indirectly based on it.
The odds of a Connecticut TC around in the 1970's being uninfluenced by Synanon and coming up independently with the same name as a famous New York program based on that model, given a Synanon *branch* in Connecticut are about zero. Especially given Ricci's development of the same language and same tactics.
Ursus:
Thanks for the link. Was Monsignor O'Brien also involved in starting up Pheonix House?
Never knew this: "Daytop stands for Drug Addicts Yielding to Persuasion."
Synanon had branches in both New York and Connecticut. I don't have the dates at the top of my head at the moment. I seem to recall reading of some preference or pleasure on the part of Chuck Dederich whilst staying at the facility in Conn.
I myself attending a therapeutic boarding school in the early 70's which was not Elan (Poland, Maine), but not too far from it. Hyde School (Bath, Maine), started in 1966. Heavily influenced by 12-Step philosophy (Joe Gauld did spend sometime at Hazelden, plus his wife was allegedly a life-long alcoholic), perhaps combined with what appears to be some military school modeling, plus attempts at creating a "TC-like community" that was quite conservative, politically (as compared to the left coast). "Character education." A lot of emphasis on confrontational group therapy sessions, "brother's keeper," etc. etc.
Considering how physically close Elan and Hyde were to one other, it is perhaps surprising how isolated we were from one another as far as news went. I suspect that there was no dearth of ego involvement on the part of the two Joes, and that this had a great deal to do with it.
Know anything about the evolution of this place?
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