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[Anonymous]

Niles ain't the only one who has major problems with Jeff.  Quite a few of us do.  When all this shit was coming down w/ PURE Jeff was right there defending Sue to the end.  We've heard nothing to the contrary so we assume that's still his position.  When he pops in here long enough to post something but refuses to address any of the questions or concerns we assume again that nothing in his views has changed.  If his views have changed I hope he lets us know.  If not then as long as he continues to post anything, he'll be questioned.

[Antigen]

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On 2006-01-31 08:21:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

Like I said 4 months ago..........and I know it pissed some people off...........I am looking forward to the day, when I get to sit back, enjoy a bowl of popcorn, and watch WWASPS and other programs like it go down!

I think that's going to happen, but I don't think it'll be government coming down on them real hard. I think there will be a few more show trials, maybe even on the order of OJ or Monica. But that's just be the authorities and sychophant media trying to steal the thunder. I think the killing blow will be the death of a thousand cuts as people educate themselves about the industry and lose their appetites for it.

One reason why we're seeing more art and journalism on the topic is because of the marketing success of the Program, going all the way back to Synanon. Back in around 69 or `70, Synanon was the absolute darling of publications like Time Life and Readers' Digest, not to mention Bobby DuPont as head of NIDA (and, therefor or because of it, the darling of the Nixon/CIA Admin).

They scooped up a bunch of wealthy and powerful pillars of society into every encounter group program from the Betty Ford clinic to CEDU to the Seed and Cathrine Freer. Well, we're the grown ups now. And, as it turns out, those who bought in long term tend to be rather dysfunctional, those who didn't ain't buyin'.

On 2006-01-31 09:22:00, Nihilanthic wrote:




If Bush's habit of cutting all responsibility from himself when his cronies get caught fucking up and then making them a point of how moral and just he is any indication, when word of this gets out expect a instant 180° on the industry.



He sure as hell swooped down on Enron, Michael Brown, Abramoff... etc.

That's not what I saw happen. I think the Büsh Dynasty and the Religous Riech threw Kenny and Brownie et. al to the wolves in very much the same way Nixon tossed Haldemann, Reagan cut Art Barker loose, Sembler tossed Virgil, Brian shunned Loretta, etc., etc. And they'll keep on casting blame and feigning contrition till nobody's listening to them cause they've lost all credibility and spent every last cent of political currency.

There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir

[Antigen]

On 2006-02-01 08:44:00, BuzzKill wrote:

Possibly, he is afraid of Susan. He has seen how vicious she became with ISAC. He could be very vulnerable to attack if he angered her.

Aw, poor baby! Ya know what? I was pretty fuckin scared of Sue too there for awhile! Jeff wasn't. Jeff was right there standing over the trenches lobbing bombs and laughing along w/ a good many other folks I had thought might be friends. And he doesn't have kids (aka potential hostages).

Forgiveness is divine, Karen. Forgetfulness is just a mental dysfunction. As far as I know, Jeff is still hawkin' 'PURE' approved programs, still clueless or averacious and, therefore, still a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Time's fun when you're having flies.
--Kermit the Frog

[Nihilanthic]

Karen, what it comes down to is that hes being deafeningly silent about all of this.

If hes a skeered little wabbit, guess what? Ive been told Sues out to get ME through the grapevine. Do you see me shaking?

What it boils down to is most likely its a stupid rumor and if its not she doesnt have anything she could $ue me for anyway. Same for Jeff - what grounds?

<- see those? I hear they make implants now if Jeff is so severely lacking.  :roll:

Regardless, what this comes down to PERSONALLY is the attititudes you and other parents/figures have towards everyone else vs the attitudes you have to yourselves and eachother.

SUSPICION gets a kid thrown in a program. A kid in a program HAS TO FESS UP to this, 18+ hours a day, 100 times more intense, IN PERSON, and not on a forum. A kid also is physically trapped and punished physically and much more severely psychologically than I could ever make you feel uncomfortable on a forum. And Im sure you know how those seminars are!

And here we have someone who before was putting children through that and it seems now cant even take a watered down sugar coated VOLUNTARY dose of her own medicine. If you dont see the hypocratsy or why that makes me or anyone else mad and frustrated, then youre blind, deaf, and DUMB.

Furthermore, where is your own kiddo anyway? Keeping him from fornits or is he just 'not interested' like so many other kids until they move out and discover google  :wink:

"The Libertarian Party is a coalition of those who hold dear the economic freedoms championed by conservatives, yet abandoned by Republicans, and the civil freedoms championed by liberals, yet abandoned by Democrats."


--Rick Root

[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2006-02-04 17:48 ]

[BuzzKill]

Hi Ginger.

I can't recall Jeff being among the pleased and pompous that Sue was trying to rake you over the coals.
If he was - then I concede your point. I do often forget. It is a problem.

If he is still hawking PURE then it is shameful. Couldn't agree more strongly.

But, if you were ever afraid of Susan - it sure never did show! :wink:

Niles - it was no idle rumor she was after you.
She was very interested in adding you to her list of "respondents".

//And here we have someone who before was putting children through that and it seems now cant even take a watered down sugar coated VOLUNTARY dose of her own medicine.//
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// A kid also is physically trapped and punished physically and much more severely psychologically than I could ever make you feel uncomfortable on a forum. And Im sure you know how those seminars are! //

Are you talking about me?
If so - I assure you I am not the least bit uncomfortable with anything you've said. Nor am I having any problems with taking my medicine - not that I've considered anything you've said here as medicinal.

As for putting kids threw abusive behavior modification - I have never been in favor of such practices, and once learning about the realities I have done all I am able to help stop it. Yes, I have been ignorant and even dumb - but not hypocritical.

//Furthermore, where is your own kiddo anyway? Keeping him from fornits or is he just 'not interested' like so many other kids until they move out and discover google //

Tonight he is out with his sister and her fella celebrating her 25th birthday.

He knows about google Niles - and he has his owne machine - a couple in fact.

He knows about Fornits. He has read it from time to time, as I have told him this or that might be interesting. He has sat here and giggled at a number of posts.

He knows about the other boards his momma frequents as well, and can usually recognize which one I'm on at a glance.

As far as I know, he doesn't post. As far as I can tell, he's just not "into" the forum thing. He does do instant messaging tho.

Why do you ask? Think I keep him chained in a cell or what?

[Nihilanthic]

Why do you ask? Think I keep him chained in a cell or what?

No.  :silly:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802808689/circleofmianithem' target='_new'> C.S. Lewis, God In The Dock

[BuzzKill]

Niles - Glad to have helped make your night :smile:
Instead of 'respondent' I should have said defendant.

I had a brain lock last night, and couldn't think of the word I wanted. I used respondent thinking: well, when some one is sued, they have to respond. She meant to sue you if she could.

As for Jeff - maybe it is wrong of me to try and find excuses for him. Hes a big boy and can defend himself if he wants to - and besides - I don't actually know what the situation is. He doesn't talk to me about it. With a few exceptions - none of the Trekkers talk to me anymore. I've been cast out for my lack of support. Much as I was from the BBS :wink:

As for Zero tolerance - I have been trying to get that policy scrapped for years. It does far more harm than good. It has reached levels of outrageously ridiculous.

I am also opposed to mandatory drug screening.
It does more harm than good. It is a violation of privacy done with out good cause. If a person appears drunk or high on the job, then there is cause, and that's a different situation.

But if they attend work, do a good job and are functioning like a sober adult - then there is no cause - and they should not loose their employment b/c they smoked a joint over the week end.

I wish the ACLU would take up this issue instead of going spastic over the school kids singing Christmas carols.

[Deborah]

And why should my jewish/ muslim/ hindu/ buddist/ atheist child be forced to sing christian christmas carols? How does it benefit the majority? Who is it that pushing for one religion, one belief, one world order?

There may be some value in kids exploring the teaching of different religions/beliefs, but not to the exclusion of others. Religion is something to be practiced in private, in your home/church, or 'studied', not practiced at school.

Surely you can see that this 'thawing' has to do with the majority opposing the forced participation in chrisitian customs. Some would argue the seperation of church and state.
Let us non-believers breath. Let us be free of the constant presence of christian dogma.

My grandson's school reached a beautiful compromise. The christmas program included songs from several cultures, although I'm certain they didn't include every culture represeted in the school population.

I also don't want your christian child passing out pens or candy canes with scripture on them. I don't want you passing laws that violate my liberties based on your religious beliefs (fears). I want the freedom and right to self determination, even if that includes my destruction. Not your call, and to force your beliefs onto me is just wrong. Is that just too much to ask?

[Nihilanthic]

Way to jack the thread there, Deb :roll: Im not trying to be mean but you just put on your blinders here to zero in on that. There really are more pressing concerns than PC bullshit in a public school. Plus, the ACLU is already on the case. Theyre not doing shit for the kids in the PROGRAMS.

Anyway... good to know that $ue is SOOO good at dealing with criticism of her practices, Karen. Im sure this is helping her reputation as an EdCon and program referral agent!

Its the perfect way to deal with her paradoxical issue of sending kids to whitmore while she tries to draw most of her credibility from the fact that her kid was abused in WWASPS so you can count on her to not abuse your kids if you just give them to her, right?

BTW, wtf is a Trekker?

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity.
--Martin Luther King, Jr.

[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2006-02-05 15:00 ]

[BuzzKill]

Obviously not to much to ask - since it has been demanded and the demand has been met.
Little kids who passes out anything as offensive as a pen with scripture on it, are routinely suspended from school.

So - how do you feel about your employer demanding your piss because you might have smoked a joint while on vacation?

[Anonymous]

Dude, you're a fuckin' buzz kill.

[BuzzKill]

The Trekkers are members of an on line support group. A private list serve. In the case of the Trekkers - they are all either parents or grandparents, or sometimes friends, of once upon a time wwasp students - except for Jeff, who was simply an advocate.

It was begun by Donna, whom I never knew, but others here remember her. She once owned the Intrepid Net Reporter site. When she died, control of the list serve was passed on to Sue, who had become her good friend. At least this is the history as I understand it.

[Anonymous]

Shut up Buzz Kill, before I break your fuckin' silly face.

[BuzzKill]

HA!
Please have at it Anon!

[Anonymous]

Shut up, geek ass! Your killing my buzz, ya fuck face nigger.