I believe you misunderstood that post. I didnt mean "We" as in I. I am an only child. I meant "We" as in our generation in general. I am not condoning being beaten with anything. I was whacked on the hand with rulers in school. And at one school the principal had a ping pong paddle he used for unruly kids. This was a public school by the way. But I do think that kids today have a skewed view sometimes of what is abuse and what isnt at times. Being made to do work around the house is not abuse. Being made to listen to your parents is not abuse. I cant tell you how many times I see kids in a store who have total control over their parents and do whatever the hell they want running around the store, whining, crying, screaming, hitting their parents, being brats in general. Anybody watch the Nanny show lately? If the parents take control of the situation when they are toddlers, and make sure the kids know their paremeters and the rules of the house at an early age, they do much better in the outside world. I dont spank my son, but I am firm with him. I have been firm with him since he was little. And he always does what I ask, says please and thank you, is polite to everyone, stays in his seat at restaurants, does well in school, and very helpful around the house. He also is a normal child in that he complains and whines sometimes, but not nearly as bad as kids who knew no boundaries as a toddler. That is what I think needs to happen. Parents think they are doing a favor to kids by giving into their every whim because they want to make their kids happy. But they are doing the kids an injustice by doing that. The world is not their oyster. They have to live in it with everybody else and respect other people.