does this sound at all true?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-23 09:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-23 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:






You would not believe the number of families that withdraw their kids early and then call back a few months later, begging HLA to allow them back into the school.

Really?  How do you come by this knowledge?  You would HAVE to be associated with HLA in some way yet you all claim that NO ONE connected with HLA posts here.  Hmmmm."

Who has said that NO ONE connected with HLA posts hear?  I think it is obvious that some people connected to HLA post here.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-23 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:


Who has said that NO ONE connected with HLA posts hear?  I think it is obvious that some people connected to HLA post here."

So what's your connection?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-23 13:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-23 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:



Who has said that NO ONE connected with HLA posts hear?  I think it is obvious that some people connected to HLA post here."

So what's your connection?"

Are you not going to anwer the question?

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-23 13:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-23 13:24:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-01-23 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:




Who has said that NO ONE connected with HLA posts hear?  I think it is obvious that some people connected to HLA post here."

So what's your connection?"

Are you not going to anwer the question?"

"Kids are not getting a new set of uniforms every month. If they are, it is because they are intentionally destroying them. And, yes, that does happen.

Yes. Families have to pay back the financial aid if they do not finish the program. This is spelled out very clearly in the contract that they sign. If you don't want to follow the contract, don't sign it. No one is making them enroll their child here.

They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation.

You would not believe the number of families that withdraw their kids early and then call back a few months later, begging HLA to allow them back into the school.

If a student graduates from HLA and follows HLA's post HLA reccomendations, and still blows it within the first six months of graduation, the kid can come back for free."

This is "former counselor" abc123 who has not nearly enough balls to log in and let anyone know who she is.  Her typical tactic is to degrade posters while hiding behind the bag.  She's a punk.

[TheWho]

"They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation."
 



So sayeth the marketing department. Kindy show a clinical study (not a questionaire sent exclusively to "satisfied customers")that shows your program works. WHERE IS YOUR DATA? Isn't it yet obvious that your "experience" is meaningless? You folks lie about everything to keep the cash coming in. That's been shown time and time again.

There have not been any Clinical studies done on HLA graduates.  What Schools typically do is call to see how students are adjusting to try to get a "Level of the water" so to speak on how the kids are doing after leaving a program.  The findings are stunning, in most cases, that the students who dont finish do very poorly after they leave.  Those who finish the program do better.
With this information in hand, the school would serve itself best by positioning the money so as to tip the scales in the favor of the kids sticking around.  One way to do this is to offer incentives or have people pay in advance with no way to recoop the money if they pull their kid early.
As long as they are up front about it its not illegal or disserving to the parents.
Many times the child can manipulate the parents into pulling them out and then the kid gets home and does poorly , the school (and I wouldnt blame them) would want a hefty upfront payment to take the kid back in (if the kid would ever go!!).

[Anonymous]

You have no clue who I am.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-23 13:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You have no clue who I am."

Well then, enlighten us.  You're here offering to "confirm or refute" the claims that HLA is abusive etc.  How do you come to be in a position to do so?

[Troll Control]

"if the kid would ever go!!"

Don't you use escort services that make this point moot?

"There have not been any Clinical studies done on HLA graduates. "

Hang on, get this:

"The findings are stunning"

WHAT findings?  Your opinion?

"Many times the child can manipulate the parents into pulling them out "

Those damned manipulating kids again.  

Why not tell the truth and say that many intelligent, well-informed, professional parents have legitimate concerns with the gap between what you advertise and what you provide?

Who are you to be speaking on behalf of HLA?  Maybe you are a manipulating teenager posing as an HLA marketer...?

Own your position and your identity or get lost. You have posted so much disinformation that you can't be taken seriously by anybody.

[RobertBruce]

On 2006-01-23 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

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"They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation."

 







So sayeth the marketing department. Kindy show a clinical study (not a questionaire sent exclusively to "satisfied customers")that shows your program works. WHERE IS YOUR DATA? Isn't it yet obvious that your "experience" is meaningless? You folks lie about everything to keep the cash coming in. That's been shown time and time again.

There have not been any Clinical studies done on HLA graduates.  What Schools typically do is call to see how students are adjusting to try to get a "Level of the water" so to speak on how the kids are doing after leaving a program.  The findings are stunning, in most cases, that the students who dont finish do very poorly after they leave.  Those who finish the program do better.

With this information in hand, the school would serve itself best by positioning the money so as to tip the scales in the favor of the kids sticking around.  One way to do this is to offer incentives or have people pay in advance with no way to recoop the money if they pull their kid early.

As long as they are up front about it its not illegal or disserving to the parents.

Many times the child can manipulate the parents into pulling them out and then the kid gets home and does poorly , the school (and I wouldnt blame them) would want a hefty upfront payment to take the kid back in (if the kid would ever go!!).

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No one from HLA has ever called me to see how successful I'm doing, and believe I am doing quite well. All thanks to escaping from that brainwashing camp. Also I know for a fact of dozens of people off hand that HLA never contacted.

So.....how can they claim these results when obviously the survey is biased?

Oh thats right they're full of shit and could care less about the truth.

[TheWho]

On 2006-01-23 14:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

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"if the kid would ever go!!"

Don't you use escort services that make this point moot?

"There have not been any Clinical studies done on HLA graduates. "

Hang on, get this:

"The findings are stunning"

WHAT findings?  Your opinion?

"Many times the child can manipulate the parents into pulling them out "

Those damned manipulating kids again.  



Why not tell the truth and say that many intelligent, well-informed, professional parents have legitimate concerns with the gap between what you advertise and what you provide?



Who are you to be speaking on behalf of HLA?  Maybe you are a manipulating teenager posing as an HLA marketer...?



Own your position and your identity or get lost. You have posted so much disinformation that you can't be taken seriously by anybody.



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I never claimed my information came from a clinical study, in fact I said a clinical study was not done.  Programs call students families to see how they are doing and get a "Level of the water".  This means that the study isnt conclusive but they can at least get a feel for what/how they are doing.  A lot of companies do this, clinical studies can take years and their results can be inconclusive, so many companies opt for a phone survey, which is quicker.  It sounds like you have more accurate data?

Own your position and your identity or get lost. You have posted so much disinformation that you can't be taken seriously by anybody.

I own my position and my identity has not changed.  you are just seeing a different opinion and one that is first hand.

[TheWho]

No one from HLA has ever called me to see how successful I'm doing, and believe I am doing quite well. All thanks to escaping from that brainwashing camp. Also I know for a fact of dozens of people off hand that HLA never contacted.

So.....how can they claim these results when obviously the survey is biased?

Oh thats right they're full of shit and could care less about the truth.

Dont feel bad,  what they do is call the parents and talk to them.  They typically dont call the students directly.  The phone conversation isnt structured like a survey, it is more like .... How is so and so doing,  Is she doing drugs, back in school, living at home etc.  

The results are unscientific, they are a survey (like any other company) but they are real and the school uses them to make decisions on how to conduct future business.... are they bias, yea maybe, but if the parents of the kids who dropped out dont want to respond what can you do?  You have to take what you can get.

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-23 17:58:00, Anonymous wrote:


The results are unscientific, they are a survey (like any other company) but they are real and the school uses them to make decisions on how to conduct future business.... are they bias, yea maybe, but if the parents of the kids who dropped out dont want to respond what can you do?  You have to take what you can get."

So then, you don't even hold out the pretense that this is about service to the kids. This is only about how better and more reliably to open the parents' wallets.

Thanks for being up front about it. BTW, how would you know? Seriously. Are you on their mailing list? Do you get/make survey calls? Please give us a little perspective as to how you'd come by your info.

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[Antigen]

Who needs a marketing survey when they can talk to the parents and former inmates themselves?

Neeeeeext!

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[TheWho]

So then, you don't even hold out the pretense that this is about service to the kids. This is only about how better and more reliably to open the parents' wallets

come on -- we both know it is about the business and and the service to the kids.  This how they get feed back, good, bad or indifferent.  Sure it is about the family, the kids etc.  But every business needs to know how they are doing and one way is by contacting previous customers.  How else is a business going to improve?  And yes you are right, if their survey shows that they are providing a better value than they are getting then they will raise their price, it is only natural, why would that be wrong?

[RobertBruce]

Because your survey is bullshit, its based on faulty data but youre passing it off to potential customers as being scientific.

No one ever contacted my parents, nor have the contacted a number of parents of former inmates I speak to.

Furthermore I can tell you without a doubt that of all the former inmates I speak to the ones who got pulled  on average do better than the ones who stayed in.

Hows that for a survey?