Robert Lichfield is a Gospel Doctrine Teacher???

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A lot of people in ministry are in it for the wrong reasons, and are crooks.

For the most part we inherit our opinions. We are the heirs of habits and mental customs. Our beliefs, like the fashion of our garments, depend on where we were born. We are molded and fashioned by our surroundings.
--Environment is a sculptor -- a painter.

[CCM girl 1989]

So, since I don't know where to sign up for one of his classes? Do you think he might fly out to California to give me some lessons on how to live my life? Do you think he could save my soul?!!!

How about they all come out as a team, because my soul needs A LOT of help! Just kidding, I am as good, and sweet as they come. Well......most of the time that is!!!!  :razz:

[CCM girl 1989]

On 2006-01-19 20:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"thats fine that you don't think i'm a grad, I graduated from scl around 2000, I went through the same exact program that many of you did, the difference is that I chose to make it a positive experience, as for him profiting the reality is that it's a business, therefore there's nothing wrong with proffiting"

P-Grad,

I gave you the whole weekend to shoot me a private message....what happened?!! I think we all know what happened!!! Anyway, good luck staying out of trouble!

[Anonymous]

http://www.alternet.org/story/31000/

So far, WWASPS hasn't chosen the God loophole, but its officials attach such religious zeal to teen control that the "faith-based" label would fit the company snugly. "Do I believe that God is finding a way for teens to get help? I do," Lichfield once told the Los Angeles Times. "Do I believe that Satan is interested in thwarting it? I do." Asked in December about his boss's remarks, Kay waxed philosophical: "If you have a spiritual side, I think you can truly believe that there may be some adversarial part of our nature and makeup that gets involved." Then there are other adversaries, some of whom Kay has called "wackos" -- a steady parade of unhappy mothers and teens, as well as the pesky foreign cops who have arrested camp leaders at Kay's schools for "human rights violations."

The company has spent the last decade trailblazing an unregulated frontier. Like manufacturers, they've outsourced to foreign countries which have different laws and standards. A predecessor like STRAIGHT, Inc., from 1976 to 1993 the foremost teenage drug rehab outfit in America, was driven out of business by liability and sued for false imprisonment and manhandling of children. But as industry watchers have discovered, the early 1990s saw new business models emerging for "tough love." WWASPS' approach has been a goldmine. By splintering its business empire into fragments -- including Teen Help, Adolescent Services, Inc., and Teen Escort (the teen retrieval arm) -- it has received much more leeway to conceal accountability and money trails, its critics argue. Draw a map of the network, Utah state prosecutor Craig Barlowe told the New York Times in 2003, and you'll see "a lateral arabesque with no hub except for these connections in Utah." Barlowe was pursuing a child abuse charge against the director of a WWASP-affiliated school at the time.

On the consumer end, parents are offered thousands of dollars in sales incentives for finding new kids or promoting WWASP schools, the New York Times has reported. The schools' hunger for pupils has created a proliferation of promotional websites -- like FamilyFirstAid.org -- beckoning mom and dad to ship the kid to the "friendly tourist Island [sic]" of Tranquility Bay, the "prime forest land" of WWASPS' Spring Creek Lodge and other pleasurable-sounding destinations. (As author Maia Szalavitz documents in her upcoming book, Help at Any Cost, at WWASPS program Paradise Cove in Samoa, which is now shuttered, kids caught scabies, and guards confined bad kids to a 3 feet by 3 feet plywood chamber that teens referred to as "The Box.")  

[CCM girl 1989]

On 2006-01-23 08:58:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

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On 2006-01-19 20:14:00, Anonymous wrote:


"thats fine that you don't think i'm a grad, I graduated from scl around 2000, I went through the same exact program that many of you did, the difference is that I chose to make it a positive experience, as for him profiting the reality is that it's a business, therefore there's nothing wrong with proffiting"

P-Grad,



I gave you the whole weekend to shoot me a private message....what happened?!! I think we all know what happened!!! Anyway, good luck staying out of trouble!











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Also, you say you graduated around 2000? Like you are not sure? See, I know your full of it! Here's why.....

I was sent away 1-16-86 to Heritage School

I was transfered to CCM 5-27-89

I ran away 2-14-90 from CCM and never returned.

I stayed in St. George from 2-14-90 till 2-14-91 it was weird......exactly one year??? Then moved to Norcal to finish H.S., and then the rest I will share with you at another time (I don't feel like it is relavent).

When you go to one of WWASPS facilities, it is one of the most traumatic times of your life. You don't forget the dates, the times, what you were wearing when entering, etc.

[Anonymous]

I'm 28 and know my exact dates, especially years because when you're a teen and missing out on life, you're very aware.  I had a checklist of days like a prisoner.  Nobody who has lived in a program doesn't know the exact date they lost their freedom, the way the weather was, the details of how they were deceived or kidnapped during transport to the program, how you might've escaped if only you understood what was to come, whether you would've taken extreme (even suicidal) measures to avoid the program at all costs if you could turn back time, who greeted you at the program and the lies they first told you, which fellow prisoner clued you in to the ways of this strange prison culture, the body search and degrading way your belongings were searched and ridiculed.  There's no way you can't come up with the year you were in a program.  We can't verify if you exist when you don't post your name and dates you were in a certain program, so that confirms my personal suspicion that most pro-program posts are the work of parents who refer for the $1000 profit or a WWASPee.  Freakin' trolls.

[CCM girl 1989]

On 2006-01-23 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'm 28 and know my exact dates, especially years because when you're a teen and missing out on life, you're very aware.  I had a checklist of days like a prisoner.  Nobody who has lived in a program doesn't know the exact date they lost their freedom, the way the weather was, the details of how they were deceived or kidnapped during transport to the program, how you might've escaped if only you understood what was to come, whether you would've taken extreme (even suicidal) measures to avoid the program at all costs if you could turn back time, who greeted you at the program and the lies they first told you, which fellow prisoner clued you in to the ways of this strange prison culture, the body search and degrading way your belongings were searched and ridiculed.  There's no way you can't come up with the year you were in a program.  We can't verify if you exist when you don't post your name and dates you were in a certain program, so that confirms my personal suspicion that most pro-program posts are the work of parents who refer for the $1000 profit or a WWASPee.  Freakin' trolls."

See now, I believe this person actually was in a program! Anyway, read up on the protest! Take good care!!!

[CCM girl 1989]

By the way........I'm not hating on the mormon religon! Not yet................

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-27 18:57:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"By the way........I'm not hating on the mormon religon! Not yet................"

Not everyone who's Mormon is Pro WWASP...I'm LDS and after working for a WWASP program and doing some research on here I'm very happy to say that I'm very much Anti-WWASP.  Don't hold this against the religion.  I remember getting upset about something someone at church had done and I said to my Dad "I can't believe the church would go along with that" and he reminded me that the people that go to church are just that...people.  It had nothing to do with what religion they were, but the kind of people they were.  

I'm proud to be Mormon and proud to be Anti-WWASP!!   :grin:

[Anonymous]

I'm proud to be Mormon and proud to be Anti-WWASP!!

Awesome!   :smile:  :smile:


On a sidenote... anyone else notice proudgroud dissapeared after CCM confronted him with some real questions. Interesting... makes ya wonder who all the anon program grads really are.

[CCM girl 1989]

Yeah, they sure did disappear! POOF!!!! Thank god, they were on my nerves!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-23 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

" We can't verify if you exist when you don't post your name and dates you were in a certain program, so that confirms my personal suspicion that most pro-program posts are the work of parents who refer for the $1000 profit or a WWASPee.  Freakin' trolls."

If this person is trolling for dollars (referral fees) where is this persons name and contact info.  They don't get a cent for posting on boards, right?  If they do, they would need to prove they were the posters, right?  So, if I were a parent looking for a reason to NOT enroll my child, I would believe what is posted here and not get help.  If I decided the posters were mostly immature victims of their own imaginations, then I would admit my child so they wouldn't end up like them - but how would the parent on this board that convinced me get the 1000?  Please enlighten me.

[Anonymous]

Please enlighten me.

Ok.

[CCM girl 1989]

On 2006-02-01 11:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-23 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:


" We can't verify if you exist when you don't post your name and dates you were in a certain program, so that confirms my personal suspicion that most pro-program posts are the work of parents who refer for the $1000 profit or a WWASPee.  Freakin' trolls."

If this person is trolling for dollars (referral fees) where is this persons name and contact info.  They don't get a cent for posting on boards, right?  If they do, they would need to prove they were the posters, right?  So, if I were a parent looking for a reason to NOT enroll my child, I would believe what is posted here and not get help.  If I decided the posters were mostly immature victims of their own imaginations, then I would admit my child so they wouldn't end up like them - but how would the parent on this board that convinced me get the 1000?  Please enlighten me.   "

I am so sorry about that disgusting post, it's getting a little immature here!

Anyway, as far as your questions go........it's not that hard once a parent sets up a user name/identity for a individual from WWASPS/ or other similar programs to contact them privately through private messaging. If they have their child enrolled in a WWASP program, and get other parents to enroll you receive money off your childs monthly tuition.

Hey, if you have more time then dimes, you'll do it. Not only that, but they make you feel like you are saving the whole world, and making it a better place! It's pretty sick, if you ask me.

[Anonymous]

I were a parent looking for a reason to NOT enroll my child, I would believe what is posted here and not get help.

Then that would make you one stupid, ignorant lame ass parent. It's up to each individual to believe what they want to believe. Some times in our lives, we are given ample warning of dangers ahead. Some choose to heed the advice and change course, while others such as yourself steam full ahead, even while knowing the risks. You are not hurting anyone here by making poor decisions, only yourself, your kid and the rest of your family.

If I decided the posters were mostly immature victims of their own imaginations, then I would admit my child so they wouldn't end up like them - but how would the parent on this board that convinced me get the 1000? Please enlighten me.

That's some backwards logic if I've ever seen it. You can't help but slide an ad-hominem into your post can you? I suppose it's part of yoru nature, and all program freaks, so don't think your special or anything -- just conditioned like a good WWASPIE. It's not up to anyone to convince you. If you believe that, you are a fool - and your family will suffer the consequences.

It's not up to anyone here to enlighten you. You are the laziest parent I've seen post here. You expect evertying to be done for you. You think you can continue to manipulate kids who were abused, but guess what -- it won't work. You aren't putting anyone on the defensive as you so desperately seek.

WWASP pays parents and anyone else interested thousands of dollars in cash or free months to recruit for them -- and nothing you say will change that fact. Spin the facts and your own logic all you want -- it changes nothing.

You seem to think you are hurting people here by your actions, but you are not. It's quite sickening and disturbing to see someone such as yourself post here -- especially when one reads between the lines of your posts. You are a sick individual.