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Lawsuits and complaints against Hyde School?
Anonymous:
i went to that fucked up school my sophmore year of high school. There is definatly bad things that go down there. Let me know if you guys wnat to hear anything about my experience.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-13 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i went to that fucked up school my sophmore year of high school. There is definatly bad things that go down there. Let me know if you guys wnat to hear anything about my experience."
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Hi, I would like to know about your experience. Which campus did you go to and how did you like it? How come u were sent there by ur parents?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-13 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i went to that fucked up school my sophmore year of high school. There is definatly bad things that go down there. Let me know if you guys wnat to hear anything about my experience."
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What was your experience at Hyde? Which campus did you go to? What are your impressions of Hyde, from a student's point of view?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-10 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
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You didn't look closely enough. Hyde is in there."
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Here's more information about Hyde from the Internet (book review at Amazon):
More to Hyde than what is written..., April 5, 2005
Reviewer: Hyde Student (Hyde School) - See all my reviews
I am a current student at the Hyde School. I saw this book on amazon.com and immediately thought that I should post a comment on what I felt and truths behind the philosophy and how it is taught.
I recall hearing a statement that someone believes Hyde is viewed by many as something along the lines of a cult. It is true; many students have used that metaphor many times, including me. They believe that they are always right, and there is no way around it. Their philosophy is great; the views and things they try to teach the students are dead-on and I barely have any complaints about them. HOWEVER, they go about teaching them the wrong way. Example: There is a prinipal at Hyde that they call "Brother's Keeper," which is defined as holding eachother to their best. This idea is a great idea and should be practiced, however students should not be penalized and given severe consequences for such petty incidents such as being with someone who is wearing a hat inside a building. They go about dealing with students using profanity by making them do pushups rather than actually seeing the reason behind the profanity and seeing if there was, infact, true justification for it's use.
Example of a severe consequence? "2-4." I believe it stands for 24 hours in a day, in which a student is put on "2-4" for an indefinite period of time. While on "2-4," a student is not permitted to talk to anyone else in the school except for faculty, not allowed to eat hot food on the lunch line (bagels, salads, etc. are allowed), rake leaves/shovel snow/clean all the buildings (depending on the season), and must attend "5:30's" every day. What is a "5:30," you ask? It is when a student is required to be inside the gymnasium at 5:30 in the morning in order to conduct a workout. These include suicides (the type of running, not the taking of one's own life), laps, pushups, situps, wall-sits, and basically every form of physical work you can think of. I have been on "2-4" for weeks at a time because Hyde dean's THOUGHT that I had broken rules and still had them on my consciense, which I clearly did not. I am scared to use my real name on Amazon, my grade, what year I am in at Hyde, or even which campus I am at, because I would most likely be put on "2-4" for attitude and have to deal with multiple confrontations about something along the lines of a "rebel attitude."
I apologize because it seems that this is turning into a whole complaint and argument against Hyde, which is not my intention. This is not the place for that. However, I am just trying to portray some things regarding Hyde that you may not know of by just reading Joe Gauld's (whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, as well as his son, Malcom Gauld) book. I have lived this book for long enough to know what I am talking about.
Basically, my advice is to not look at this review and say "Hyde must be full of bs" because Hyde is far from it. Their views are great and their philosophy is great, but the way they teach it to their students is way too off. I suggest reading this book if you have children and carefully looking at all of the ideas and philosophies in the book. However, I suggest NOT teaching your children those ideas in the ways that may be described in the text, but rather using your own ways and seeing what works on your child, because no technique will work for everyone. Hyde's techniques have worked on a select few individuals in my school (I'd say around 7 out of over 200), and I have seen more negative results than positive results."
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I agree with you when you say that some of the Hyde principles are good but the way the school implements them is so far off base. When I was at Hyde I witnessed many incidents where students were put on 2-4 for days at a time and given 5:30's when the staff should have realized that the kid was dealing with some major trauma or emotional problem. I think that's Hyde's most serious problem. They react to everything as if its an attitude problem. I can hear Joe Gauld's voice as I write this. The truth is that there are so many different reasons why kids have trouble at Hyde. Calling everything an attitude problem is just plain wrong. Many of the kids I knew at Hyde needed a different kind of school. I can see that now.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-17 02:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
--- End quote ---
You didn't look closely enough. Hyde is in there."
--- End quote ---
Here's more information about Hyde from the Internet (book review at Amazon):
More to Hyde than what is written..., April 5, 2005
Reviewer: Hyde Student (Hyde School) - See all my reviews
I am a current student at the Hyde School. I saw this book on amazon.com and immediately thought that I should post a comment on what I felt and truths behind the philosophy and how it is taught.
I recall hearing a statement that someone believes Hyde is viewed by many as something along the lines of a cult. It is true; many students have used that metaphor many times, including me. They believe that they are always right, and there is no way around it. Their philosophy is great; the views and things they try to teach the students are dead-on and I barely have any complaints about them. HOWEVER, they go about teaching them the wrong way. Example: There is a prinipal at Hyde that they call "Brother's Keeper," which is defined as holding eachother to their best. This idea is a great idea and should be practiced, however students should not be penalized and given severe consequences for such petty incidents such as being with someone who is wearing a hat inside a building. They go about dealing with students using profanity by making them do pushups rather than actually seeing the reason behind the profanity and seeing if there was, infact, true justification for it's use.
Example of a severe consequence? "2-4." I believe it stands for 24 hours in a day, in which a student is put on "2-4" for an indefinite period of time. While on "2-4," a student is not permitted to talk to anyone else in the school except for faculty, not allowed to eat hot food on the lunch line (bagels, salads, etc. are allowed), rake leaves/shovel snow/clean all the buildings (depending on the season), and must attend "5:30's" every day. What is a "5:30," you ask? It is when a student is required to be inside the gymnasium at 5:30 in the morning in order to conduct a workout. These include suicides (the type of running, not the taking of one's own life), laps, pushups, situps, wall-sits, and basically every form of physical work you can think of. I have been on "2-4" for weeks at a time because Hyde dean's THOUGHT that I had broken rules and still had them on my consciense, which I clearly did not. I am scared to use my real name on Amazon, my grade, what year I am in at Hyde, or even which campus I am at, because I would most likely be put on "2-4" for attitude and have to deal with multiple confrontations about something along the lines of a "rebel attitude."
I apologize because it seems that this is turning into a whole complaint and argument against Hyde, which is not my intention. This is not the place for that. However, I am just trying to portray some things regarding Hyde that you may not know of by just reading Joe Gauld's (whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, as well as his son, Malcom Gauld) book. I have lived this book for long enough to know what I am talking about.
Basically, my advice is to not look at this review and say "Hyde must be full of bs" because Hyde is far from it. Their views are great and their philosophy is great, but the way they teach it to their students is way too off. I suggest reading this book if you have children and carefully looking at all of the ideas and philosophies in the book. However, I suggest NOT teaching your children those ideas in the ways that may be described in the text, but rather using your own ways and seeing what works on your child, because no technique will work for everyone. Hyde's techniques have worked on a select few individuals in my school (I'd say around 7 out of over 200), and I have seen more negative results than positive results."
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I agree with you when you say that some of the Hyde principles are good but the way the school implements them is so far off base. When I was at Hyde I witnessed many incidents where students were put on 2-4 for days at a time and given 5:30's when the staff should have realized that the kid was dealing with some major trauma or emotional problem. I think that's Hyde's most serious problem. They react to everything as if its an attitude problem. I can hear Joe Gauld's voice as I write this. The truth is that there are so many different reasons why kids have trouble at Hyde. Calling everything an attitude problem is just plain wrong. Many of the kids I knew at Hyde needed a different kind of school. I can see that now."
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When kids go on 2-4, what do they do about school? Isn't there a law that kids have to go to school a certain many days a year? Does this not apply to private schools? Would be interesting to look this up. Hyde might not legally be allowed to keep these kids out of class for as long as these kids are reporting.
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