Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
Recent Hyde Graduate . . .
Lars:
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"****From my experience, and take it as you will, those who leave Hyde with a bitter taste in their mouths are those who cowardly shrank from the tasks in front of them, parents afraid to truly invest and teach their children, or students afraid to face themselves.*****
Richard -- Thanks for your candid response. This holds true of other schools also. I have seen more bitterness and anger from those students and parents who started the process and didnot finish vs those who finished and did not succeed. The parents who pulled their kids early, for what ever reason, are saddled with never knowing how their lives would have changed if they had finished the program. This elevates the feeling of failure vs those who finished (gave it a try) and did not grow by the experiences.
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Maybe you don't realize that there alot of people who DID see it through to graduation and want nothing to do with the place. Most of them move on and never look back, hence you don't hear as much from them. It was fifteen years after my graduation when I posted on this board about how miserable it was. Some finish the program and grow when they move on to a healthier environment. It's typical Hyde arrogance to assume that everyone who finished grew so much because of it while the bitter ones are those who didn't finish.
Anonymous:
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On 2006-01-16 11:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"****From my experience, and take it as you will, those who leave Hyde with a bitter taste in their mouths are those who cowardly shrank from the tasks in front of them, parents afraid to truly invest and teach their children, or students afraid to face themselves.*****
Richard -- Thanks for your candid response. This holds true of other schools also. I have seen more bitterness and anger from those students and parents who started the process and didnot finish vs those who finished and did not succeed. The parents who pulled their kids early, for what ever reason, are saddled with never knowing how their lives would have changed if they had finished the program. This elevates the feeling of failure vs those who finished (gave it a try) and did not grow by the experiences.
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Maybe you don't realize that there alot of people who DID see it through to graduation and want nothing to do with the place. Most of them move on and never look back, hence you don't hear as much from them. It was fifteen years after my graduation when I posted on this board about how miserable it was. Some finish the program and grow when they move on to a healthier environment. It's typical Hyde arrogance to assume that everyone who finished grew so much because of it while the bitter ones are those who didn't finish."
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I agree completely: It is incredibly arrogant to assume that anything good that happened in people's lives after Hyde happened because of Hyde. I know quite a few people who had horrible Hyde experiences and have landed on their feet mainly because they got out of Hyde and ended up in much more effective, humane programs run by people who actually have sophisticated training and education in how to work with struggling teens. The number of people who work at Hyde without relevant training, and who are there only because they buy into the Hyde rhetoric and cliches, is scary. It's amazing to compare the training and education that staff at many schools for struggling teens have compared with the many unqualified staff at Hyde. Just amazing. At Hyde it isn't at all unusual to find staff who are very young, have virtually no formal training or education in work with struggling teens, have nothing more than a college degree, and who don't have the personal experience or maturity to know how to handle challenging teens in a constructie or effective way. I've met many Hyde staff who seem to really get off on the amount of power and authority they have, and who then treat some of the students in emotionally abusive ways. Unfortunately, Joe Gauld provides these young staff with a role model of someone who abuses his authority, and these young staff follow his lead. Gauld may care about the students, but he's so full of himself that he often mistreats people terribly. No wonder many Hyde staff mimic Gauld's style. They simply don't have the experience or maturity to do otherwise.
Anonymous:
Ditto on what Richard said...
Anonymous:
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On 2006-01-10 20:48:00, Rwrush wrote:
"Reading many of the messages on this site have left me as a Hyde former Hyde student frustrated and confused as to what parents in this country are teaching their children. Most of the messages I have read seemed to portray Hyde as an institution that does not place the value on education, in either a character or academic sense. I would like to take this opportunity to contradict this opinion with my own.
In my two years of attending Hyde and my four (and counting) years involved with the schools I have seen and been part of many significant life changes. To hear how the school "brain washes" kids and parents that come through and somehow convinces them to take part in an "inferior" educational process seems to me to be blatant ignorance. In fact, those words were very similar to mine when I was a 16 year old sibling in the Hyde program. To go along with this point, I WAS also afraid of anything that might be challenging to me in any substantial way.
Through my time at Hyde there were many moments that I wanted to back down and run from my fears and problems like most kids my age, but my parents would not allow me to do this, they took a stand where most parents would back down and let me live my life of mediocrity. I went from a scared child with bad grades, a poor work ethic, no direction and no real sense of self to a young man who not only knows who I want to be, but that no matter what happens I have a group of people who believe in me and would support me regardless of my life circumstances.
I grew in many ways and am quickly maturing into a young man of standards and honor, standards that I am disappointed to say I don?t see many of my peers in college pursuing. I would attribute this success to my time at Hyde School. I was given an environment that I truly wish everyone could experience and give a chance, contradictory to what many people on this site seem to believe, EVERYONE COULD USE HYDE.
Now in a more direct response to some of the opinions that I have read, I would like to site some of the comments that I have reviewed. Perhaps the most troubling to me was this "Shame on Joe Gauld - and shame on his pathetic family followers and other weird followers......." This statement truly captures and gives justice to my point. A process with is undoubtedly hard and requires personal sacrifice of emotional comfort and time BUT has worked for thousands of families and students is hardly pathetic. Joe Gauld has helped change thousands of lives, for the better by having the courage to face, accept and tell the truth, to everyone he meets. From my experience, and take it as you will, those who leave Hyde with a bitter taste in their mouths are those who cowardly shrank from the tasks in front of them, parents afraid to truly invest and teach their children, or students afraid to face themselves. While I am by no means saying that this encompasses every family/student that attends and then leaves Hyde I firmly believe that this is the case in the majority. I have personally seen parents selfishly take themselves and their comfort with feeling in control and strong more seriously than their job and commitment as a parent at least 50 times, and not once has it benefited the student. Usually this has to do with the parent?s lack of willingness to give the Hyde Process a chance in their own lives. Wrapping up as I believe I have said most of what I have to say at the moment, I do to stress as well to all those who I directly challenged their commitment to their job as a parent that before you get all fired up at me and this comment, remember that it is you that your children learn the most from and most directly reflect in most ways, your decisions will and have reflected in many different ways in their lives, before you quit on yourself again and the Hyde process altogether, remember and have the courage to face, like many Hyde parents before you, that you do have a huge and vital role to play in who your young man/woman grows up to be. Don't teach them to run from their fears and mistakes.
Thoughtfully,
Richard Rush
Class of 2005
Freshman at Syracuse University
rwrush@syr.edu
P.S. I would love to get some response for further discussion at my e-mail.
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I'm curious to know how you found this website. Did someone from Hyde tell you about it? Did they ask you to post a comment to describe your positive experience?
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So you're implying that anyone who comes here and posts something positive has been asked to do so by Hyde?
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" --- So you're implying that anyone who comes here and posts something positive has been asked to do so by Hyde?
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Out of all of that above that was said and discussed that's the only thing you're going to address???
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