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AtomicAnt:
--- Quote --- Exactly. There is a huge difference between a volunteer recruit who is thinking past the boot camp towards a career in the military, and a disturbed teenager forced there. There is also a huge difference in boot camps for kids and real military boot camps.
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Anonymous:
***So, holding the group responsible is viewed as holding 'me responsible for someone else's actions.' To a teen, this just unfair.
Not just teens, anyone would see it as unfair.
That's like the police coming into a bar and arresting everyone because they didn't control the guy who drank too much.
There is one purpose for this technique- peer pressure/control. They're banking on the kid getting so much shit from his peers, who were punished for his mistakes, that he'll step in line. Makes their miserable job easier.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-06-10 11:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"***So, holding the group responsible is viewed as holding 'me responsible for someone else's actions.' To a teen, this just unfair.
Not just teens, anyone would see it as unfair.
That's like the police coming into a bar and arresting everyone because they didn't control the guy who drank too much.
There is one purpose for this technique- peer pressure/control. They're banking on the kid getting so much shit from his peers, who were punished for his mistakes, that he'll step in line. Makes their miserable job easier.
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I have to disagree with that. In an explicit team environment, if one member fails, it is because the team failed that one member. So, the entire team receives the consequences. The idea is to promote the idea that the team must support all of its members. I have never been in the Military, so it would be nice to have one of the DIs weigh in on this. I think soldiers are aware that this is the premise under which basic training takes place and so they are not as likely to become angry about it. In battle, their lives could depend on it.
If there is a time to be somewhere and one team member is late because he slept in, the team loses. The team has to take the responsibility to ensure everyone wakes up and is on time.
Whether this actually promotes unity in a team or not is debatable. They might end up hating the 'weaker' member/s. Or, they may become a close, tight knit team.
I have worked with departments where communication could be good like this. Co-workers would inform missing members (on vacation or traveling) with information they needed for the first day back. They would send e-mail or leave messages on home phones. Other departments I have been in don't and the unsuspecting co-worker might come to work inappropriately dressed, or blind-sided by a morning meeting,for example, because they did not 'get the memo.'
AtomicAnt:
--- Quote ---I have to disagree with that. In an explicit team environment ...
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Anonymous:
the idea of any di trying to provoke a delinquent kid also strikes me as pretty useless because, of course they are likely to bite back. ( i am not suggesting that all DI's do) Lack of impulse control is the reason why the kid is there. There is also a difference between penalising a kid for not contributing to some kind of team effort, and Bullying a kid into some kind of pissing contest because their sense of manhood is threatened and then punsihing every kid when that one kid looses it . It also strikes me as being the worst kid of cowardice to pick a fight with a kid when it is quite clear that they have no power. From where i sit this is completely unjust and teaches kids that the biggest bully wins. This can hardly socialise any one. It is not even a lesson in mental toughness.
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