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« on: January 03, 2006, 07:57:00 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180494,00.html


Modern antidepressants don't increase suicide risk in adults, and there's good reason to make a follow-up study of teens to assess their suicide risks before and after starting antidepressant treatment.

(Even after just starting treatment.)

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2006, 08:18:00 PM »
Is there a study showing these pills actually make people happier?
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2006, 12:28:00 AM »
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"Is there a study showing these pills actually make people happier?"


They're not supposed to make you happy.

The goal is regulation of mood.

For instance, being able to have your own thoughts and feelings for once, instead of invasive emotional crap that has no basis in reality.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2006, 10:27:00 AM »
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"Is there a study showing these pills actually make people happier?"


They don't make me happy.  That's not their job.  Happiness is up to me and how I live my life, and realistic reactions to whatever's going on in my life.

If a loved one died, I would not want to be happy no matter what and unable to grieve.  Thank goodness antidepressants don't cause that.

All I want, and what I've got, is *proportional* non-depressed reactions to the events in my life.  Reactions that see disasters or nastiness by other people or bad things that happen in life as about the same level of bad anyone healthy would feel if that happened to them.

What I want, and what I've got, is that if someone does something that pisses me off and it was just an accident or thoughtless, I don't think they did it on purpose just to piss me off when they didn't.  At the same time, if someone really *is* messing with me, I can tell.

I don't want euphoria, I don't want depression, I want euthymia---the "true" mood.  Which means I react proportionally to the happy things and to the sad things.

It means I don't bite people's heads off or burst into tears over stupid nonsense---but I do bite people's heads off or burst into tears if the situation warrants it.  I don't turn away the outreached hand of someone well-meaning who just brushed me up the wrong way, and I don't make myself a doormat to the genuinely, maliciously obnoxious people that unfortunately everyone occasionally runs into.

Antidepressants are what they say they are.  They make you not depressed.

They aren't supposed to make you happy.

No reasonable person would *want* the antidepressant to make them "happy."

I want to seek (and have mostly found) happiness myself, through rewarding close relationships and work I enjoy and limiting the technicolor drama in my life.

All I want from the antidepressants, and what I get, is to not feel horrible kill-myself-just-to-make-it-stop pain for no damned reason.

Making the extreme pain for no damned reason stop is enough.  It's all I ever wanted from meds---was to be, emotionally, pretty much like everybody else.  To react proportionally and sanely to happy, sad, frustrating, encouraging, or neutral things in my life.

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2006, 10:34:00 AM »
Happy and depressed aren't opposites.

Happy versus sad are opposites.

Depressed versus euthymic are an unhealthy extreme versus the healthy state of being.

Euphoric versus euthymic are an unhealthy extreme versus the healthy state of being.

Depression isn't just sadness.  Depression is pervasive sadness, despair, and pain that is disproportional to whatever is going on in everyday life.

They don't give antidepressants to people who lose a close loved one and are grieving normally.  They give antidepressants to people who get irrationally "stuck" on sad, or disproportionately and dangerously sad.

Again, euthymia is the true mood, euphoria is an unreasonable, disproportionate "high" that can be as or more dangerous than depression.

Antidepressants don't make happiness, they just allow the rational, healthy *pursuit* of happiness that mentally normal people get.

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2006, 04:05:00 PM »
If antidepressants are so good, then why do I know people on them who feel terrible for being 'fakehappy' and obviously drugged up and not normal?

What about the two women I know who are permanantly fucked up from paxil, or still addicted to it, respectively?

What about how its over-fuckin-diagnosed because people WILL feel bad if you treat them bad, and drug theim instead of treating them good and/or fixing how theyre treated by others?

I mean, its apparently illegal and immoral in the USA to take drugs just to feel better, unless its a pill sold by a pharmaceutical thats not as fun and has more side effects  :roll:

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2006, 04:25:00 PM »
Niles---this is why I want SPECT scanning, or similar, to become commonplace.  It gives data for an objective diagnosis and reduces screwups.

You know, I just had to stop taking prilosec because I got allergic to it.  Lots of people take a med and go right into anaphylactic (sp?) shock.  Some die.

No medicines are candy to be taken trivially.

Nobody should start meds without also starting therapy *but* they may reach a point where only long term medication management is needed, somewhere down the road in their treatment, if it's that kind of illness.

A lot more people have good results on these than bad ones.  YMMV.  There's a reason they aren't sold over the counter, and that reason is that people taking them need to be watched closely by a doctor to take corrective action if there are bad side effects.

I do wonder what you mean by "addicted" to paxil and whether you would consider me "addicted" to it because I've taken it for thirteen years and would become suicidal and depressed if taken off of it without some other effective drug to replace it.

You've got a huge chip on your shoulder and are not going to agree that antidepressant treatment, along with therapy, is appropriate for depressed people no matter what I say.

Kids with pediatric bipolar disorder---they have a 20% risk of suicide without treatment, and an 11% risk with treatment.  Treatment for PBD virtually always includes meds unless the kid just isn't a medication responder.

Learning, stable, euthymic, functional, and *alive* with what *you* call "fakehappy" pills beats the hell out of dead, or wishing they were.

Maybe your friends do need their meds changed, adjusted, or one or more of them removed.  I don't know them.

Given a choice between anybody's anecdotes and hard data from well-designed scientific studies with good methodology, I go with the science, every time.

If you don't, that's your issue.

Julie
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2006, 09:11:00 PM »
BRAVO JULIE!  Well said!
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2006, 12:00:00 PM »
>>>What I want, and what I've got, is that if someone does something that pisses me off and it was just an accident or thoughtless, I don't think they did it on purpose just to piss me off when they didn't. At the same time, if someone really *is* messing with me, I can tell.>>>

I?d have to refute that.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#123002
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 270#117931
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#96535
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... rt=0&Sort=


>>>They don't give antidepressants to people who lose a close loved one and are grieving normally. They give antidepressants to people who get irrationally "stuck" on sad, or disproportionately and dangerously sad.>>>

Oh, but ?THEY? do. Who are you referring to when you use ?THEY??  Certainly not all doctors and shrinks. We got kids right here on this forum talking about being drugged unnecessarily in programs. It?s these blanket statements that discredit you. Now ?THEY? are prescribing for infants and animals.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 320#152639
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 200#142109


>>>Niles---this is why I want SPECT scanning, or similar, to become commonplace. It gives data for an objective diagnosis and reduces screwups.>>>
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#96491


>>>Given a choice between anybody's anecdotes and hard data from well-designed scientific studies with good methodology, I go with the science, every time.>>>

Given a choice, you?d rather delude yourself into believing there is science to support your opinion/experience.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 230#113173
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 220#112935
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 300#148295
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 320#151333

>>>A lot more people have good results on these than bad ones.>>>

Where are stats to prove that pollyanna generalization?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 270#114357
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 270#114394
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2006, 04:28:00 PM »
She's back ...

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">>>What I want, and what I've got, is that if someone does something that pisses me off and it was just an accident or thoughtless, I don't think they did it on purpose just to piss me off when they didn't. At the same time, if someone really *is* messing with me, I can tell.>>>



I?d have to refute that.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#123002

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 270#117931

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#96535

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... rt=0&Sort=





>>>They don't give antidepressants to people who lose a close loved one and are grieving normally. They give antidepressants to people who get irrationally "stuck" on sad, or disproportionately and dangerously sad.>>>



Oh, but ?THEY? do. Who are you referring to when you use ?THEY??  Certainly not all doctors and shrinks. We got kids right here on this forum talking about being drugged unnecessarily in programs. It?s these blanket statements that discredit you. Now ?THEY? are prescribing for infants and animals.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 320#152639

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 200#142109





>>>Niles---this is why I want SPECT scanning, or similar, to become commonplace. It gives data for an objective diagnosis and reduces screwups.>>>

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#96491





>>>Given a choice between anybody's anecdotes and hard data from well-designed scientific studies with good methodology, I go with the science, every time.>>>



Given a choice, you?d rather delude yourself into believing there is science to support your opinion/experience.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 230#113173

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 220#112935

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 300#148295

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 320#151333



>>>A lot more people have good results on these than bad ones.>>>



Where are stats to prove that pollyanna generalization?

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 270#114357

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 270#114394





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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2006, 05:59:00 PM »
Sorry to have to post this annonymously...

I have been taking Wellbutrin for 3 years.  When I first started, it was so excellent.  I felt like I could finally feel and think "clearly", not feeling weighed down by negativity.  

I also lost 20 lbs.  Bonus!

I don't know if I am "addicted" to it, cause I've never tried to stop taking them.  However, I don't always take as prescribed- sometimes only once a day instead of twice, sometimes I forget totally, take it at different times, ect...

Sometimes I just continue to fill the prescription because it's an expensive medication, and I want those punks at the insurance company to have to pay up every cent possible, b/c they don't pay for contraception of any kind, and I find that insulting and irresponsible...
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