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BuzzKill:
Well 'bout the axe - I would argue retaining the axe isn't stealing. It is extending the loan, until such time as the owner is in a better frame of mind.

I would argue that there are absolutes. Stealing is always wrong. Even wanting to steal is wrong. Removing a weapon from a man bent on murder is not stealing.

If you want a shifty argument for moral relativity - lying is a better example. It is wrong to Lie. But is it Always wrong to Lie? Any one with any since knows it is occasionally a far the better thing to do than tell the truth.

My personal thoughts on this are that it is a grave sin to lie in a malicious manner about another. It is also wrong to lie to achieve personal gain over others or to avoid ones personal responsibility for a wrong done.

Providing an opinion that is not actually true to spare another's feeling is not wrong - it is considerate. Lying about another person's whereabouts at their request is a little more shady - but I don't view it as a sin b/c it isn't hurting anyone.

I do feel most lies are best avoided. It is so easy to fall into the habit of lying about things for which the truth is as good or better an explanation. For example, my mom has a habit of making up these excuses for why she can't go here, or do this, with her friends, when the truth would be better. I have asked her, why don't you just tell her you'd rather take advantage of the weather to work in your yard? What's wrong with that - and its the truth. My daughter once lost a job making up this elaborate and easily seen through excuse for her absence; when the truth was a simple, easy to understand, an acceptable reason.

As for the problem of rehabilitation and excessesive force in its attempt - I'd argue it is always wrong. If rehabilitation can be achieved with education and maybe some therapy, that's great. If it takes clockwork orange type efforts - then it is wrong and will do more harm than good - just as we see in the worst of the programs. Best not to attempt it, in such a case.

Anonymous:
One arena at a time dear sister...

LGAT skullduggery is just one new iteration of THOUGHT REFORM technique...  The problem is that predatory minded individuals tend to sample all the MLM and "pyramid" scams that they can gain access to and publish their "flavour" of the same in relatively short order...like cockroaches, the programs tend to multiply(?).
And they tend to infest every level of a society that they infiltrate...  

Understand that these people have  far beyond simple child molesting mentalities...what are "whips and chains"[Legal Release Forms and SECRECY AGREEMENTS*] for(?)...to reduce adult men and women to the helpless level of children so they can be -molested- psychologically(Mind Raped, Intellectual debilitation through regressionist techniques), economically(defrauded of large sums of money), socially(forced to sell the cult to recruit others and only want to associate with...

Properly "enlightened" individuals)...
[Deceived, "enlightened", Newspeak, Doublethink?]

We are discussing INFLUENCE here which a byproduct of COMMUNICATION...  Most of these offenders are highly skilled and educated technicians in verbal/emotional assault techniques...

As a woman, you should a wealth of knowledge on the "battered woman syndrome" studies(?)...
There is a direct correlation between how these "reptiles" operate and abusive spouses(I don't single out -men- because anyone can google
"Men in Pain" and see women practicing this same set of techniques on men...even down to the "honeymoon" or "making-up" period in the hiatus phase of the abuse cycle)...  

["You've come a long way baby...to get where you are...Toooddaayyy"...(?). The hidden benefits of
equality?  Hmmmmm...]

Same difference.  Make you uncomfortable, attack your beliefs, belittle you, tell you what your problems really are(aside from being abused by this bozo/bozette and herded into regression to childishness?)...use the "group" of isolated and conformism-oriented individuals against you by masturbating their emotions to accept or reject you as your responses "merit"(?)...groupthink?

"Consensus" "building"...read systemic deception and inculcation(?)...  Shades of that nasty old "Inquisition"(?)...Latinate or otherwise?
How CALIFORNIA(!)...which is where most of this garbage eminates from(?)...  La La Land...just over which rainbow(?)...hmmm, interesting...
It does not seem to really clash as "belief" system with the Kabbalalalala? Bahai? Subud? ad.
nausem(?)...

Hmmmmm, first a splitting up of "babblers" and then over many centuries...a harmonizing of exploitive, subtle, hierarchal, gnostic cults, theosophies, philosophies, corporations,
incorporated cults, cultic corps, "enightened"
government officials(local, state, federal) and entire agencies structured to reward and promote only these individuals who can "lead" others in this fashion...sounds like it has been happening for the last 30-50 years in this country...hmmm?

Positively brilliant(!)...rape peoples minds, insult them to their face, intimidate them, shame them pubilcly...the ones you can't break down or sue into silence...there are tried and true "direct" ways of handling that...  Yes, we can always spot those individuals who are in favor of such things(?)...  Exploitive, oppurtunistic, etc. etc. etc...seems that I remember something I read[2Tim, 2:3-23][2Peter,2 et. all]...

Isn't it funny that some things never change(!)
;->
Right down to the methodology[2Cor,11:20]...

Seems to be Babylonian in orgin[Fake Jews from the 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom who followed Solomon's example...into exile in Babylon...and returned to infiltrate the Judean priesthood in the interum between the Old Testament and the New...like pawns being positioned(?)...

Jesus refered to such as: "The synagogue of Satan"--Outwardly practicing Mosaic values  but, holding to Babylonian, Caballah, and Greek Philosophies...as subtle and reptillian in manner and aspect as "humanistically" possible?

"How to oppress, subvert, and murder others for fun and profit"(?)...don't read the skrits but, it's probably a fair guess]

Wow(!)...that there bible thingy is extrordinary!
Neatly illustrates that this problem is cyclical and every so often these "cockroaches" have to be "smoked" out...anybody got a "match"(?)...

;->

Beyond all the possibilities that we can create for ourselves and our lives(?)...and it does mean something that you don't think it means anything...anyone worked out the brain-unwashing techniques yet???  Or is it back to Lifespring for all you "consensus" zombies(?)...think about it...if you still can(?)...

BevoBBQforfree

Anonymous:

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I think it is more about how Christianity is a barrier to the efforts of the facilitators in LGAT. The reason for this is b/c Christians are so "dogmatic, inflexible, intolerant and judgmental". Being so, makes it hard to convince them that their is no right or wrong, and that they should set aside their beliefs to becomes part of the greater group - those who are none of these awful things, and who are "growing" emotionally.

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Any mature, carefully considered belief is a "...barrier..." to exploitation...damned inconvenient to totalists, totalitarians, and consensus zombies...no right, no wrong, no accountabity, no limits, if you can't win a particular "game", rewrite the rules into complete irrelevance(?)...  

It is a more flexible position to have no fixed beliefs, mores, values, etc...beyond what is convenient and on a sliding-scale of oppurtunism(?)...keep all your "options" wide open...
Charles Manson said something to that effect(?).

It truly sets you up to compete in a very efficient manner...6 million jews processed through what(?)...18 concentration camps...with
high volume crematories and all the amenities?
Outstanding(!)...better to slaughter such in the womb now(?)...you can grind up the "evidence", declare it sub(un?)human and flush it into the sewer systems--No messy "showers", ashes or explainations needed...who cares if figures for women dying in "coat-hanger" procedures were inflated from tens to thousands of such...that the Centers for Disease Control were intimidated out of tracking deaths from malpractice in abortion procedures...ahh how conveneint can you
get...billions of dollars on the line and just little bits of flesh to dispose of...what's the big deal(?)...

But, I do admit this God/Christ/Spirit -guy- is very inconvenient, specific, and knows what he wants...a real stickler for details about loving your enemies, the duties of civil government and the true seperation of powers...  Yes, I prefer him and his way to the ecclectic, convoluted, contrarian, conveniences that I have sampled in the many uber-humanistic philosophies, ideals, ideologies, ontologies, cosmologies that I have been exposed to over the decades...

Oh yeah and make that Christians are hard to EXPLOIT...not convince...If you can understand and adhere to biblical values...it's a snap to convince Christians to go along with you...if you can't or are too close-minded, dogmatic, secular to even attempt it...how intelligent are you anyway?  It's just 66 books in all...took me
all of a few weeks to go through the first time.
If you are so superior to the material...should
be a couple of days maybe(?)...it that long?
Hegel, Marx, Lenin...Ayn Rand, Bhodi Dharma,
Hasan Sabah...  Now those are very deep and challenging reading(Mostly due to their contempt for readers but, one can muddle through if one is determined?)...

Why is it Atheists that are so dogmatic and inflexible(?)...not to mention close-minded to anything contrary to their convenient interpertation of the world.  I much prefer the old Agostics because they at least affirmed that THEY KNEW NOTHING...all these SECRET KNOWLEDGEs that you have to swear to cut your tounge out for and throw on the desert sand and such...ever to conceal, never to reveal...and all that jazz?
So much wasted time for so little gain. The Red Cross of Constantine not whithstanding...

FYI, those LGAT facilitators get paid on a basis of HOW MANY PEOPLE attend the seminar--not on any basis of even assesing if they HELP anyone at all...it is forbidden to even ask them the question, much less take any statistics...and especially not to get them evaluated by a talented psychiatric professional...who might make an uncomplimentry diagnosis(?)...

The people need only continue in the program and he/she/it...has accomplished his/her/its objective and is paid on a commission basis...how do I know this(?)...

I am studying to lead LGAT sessions...go figure?

Oh, and your dogma is pretty entrenched as well You do tend to repeat it as slavishly as any Catholic, Mormon, or Jehovah's Witness I have ever listened to...very well developed and reasonable...nice formulation!  You should put in Seminar form(!)...

Keep thinking those convenient thoughts...it could score you a job in that 1 world religo-political thingy(?)...but, remember this...after
all the "inconvenient" people are "gone"...it will be your turn as "meat" but, I think you are aware of that as a distinct possibility...and you don't have what it takes(IMHO) to handle being tortured/crucified, etc...  

As that seems to be the price of playing "god" but, not to worry...it has already been taken care of by someone who Loved even you...
[And he got it right the first time.]

Just once I would like to meet an Atheist who would allow him/herself to be tortured to death for the sake of their "beliefs"...no takers to date but, I take your presence here as a miracle.

[And that you were not aborted with those other 40 million individuals over the last 30 years]

[Abortion is a more efficient method of eliminating human beings than convential and nuclear war since antiquity!]

No,I don't see you as a random accident in this universe...even if your world view/cosmology tells you that you are...and just an animal...
Would you really want me to swallow that stuff that you don't mean anything, are nothing, and
are completely optional to the universe...in the LGAT terms I am familiar with(?)...

I prefer to think that you are a product of LOVE and were created out of such...given a universe to exist in and a planet to live on...against all odds...allows me to value you more than you value me or yourself...again, go figure? Why does God want you to spend eternity with Him(?).
Or me for that matter(?)...

God Loves The Poor Bloody Atheists...more than they love themselves...

[A Truly Supernatural Accomplishment].

Live well and be free...and may you learn the blessings of becoming inconvenient...forever.

IJNIP.
Amen.

BEVOBBQforfree

P.S. God Bless you.[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-02-04 19:01 ]

Antigen:

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Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2006-02-04 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

Just once I would like to meet an Atheist who would allow him/herself to be tortured to death for the sake of their "beliefs"...no takers to date but, I take your presence here as a miracle
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For beliefs? You think Jesus suffered and died for beliefs? No, I don't think so. I think 'he', as in the character in the Christian Bible, died for speaking the truth in a political era when that was intolerable act; would have (and did) disrupt the orderly system that kept the decision makers fat and happy.

But he wasn't the only one. Legend from many contemporary cultures has it that there were a good many ppl in that day delivering essentially the same message. If you compare the gospels to other writings of the time, they even mix details from different legends into the Jesus story. Actually, I think there are always an adequate number or such people balking at the status quo. Just so happens that, in that day and age, the time was ripe for people to adopt that message and the Holy Roman Catholic Church won the war that ensued and so they got to write the history.

In these similar days? May just as easily be Osama or the Dahli Lhamma or someone we don't even know to watch. Just depends on who wins the war and who gets to write the history.

Athiest means non theistic. As an athiest, I don't believe in an invisible friend who's willing and able to annull the laws of the universe in behalf of a single petitioner, confessedly unworthy. (Bierce, paraphrased)

I believe in the laws of the universe. If there were a god, it was he who made those laws and who gave us all a sense of reason. Presumably, he meant for us to use it.

Wicked men obey from fear, good men from love.
--Aristotle
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