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« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2006, 07:35:00 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2006, 07:38:00 PM »
:???:  O.K. give me a minute to revieuw and I will get back to you.
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« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2006, 07:42:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-06 07:36:00, ex-prisoner wrote:

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On 2006-01-06 04:54:00, dragonfly wrote:


"Straight WAS like a monastery in a lot of ways.



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Since the tactics came from the Chinese originally, this should not be surprising.





The intent of the Chinese monasteries was to provide a SAFE place for monks to let go of their delusions of self.



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And to provide HEALTHY impetus to let go of those delusions. Those impetus work, and monks go happily about the day doing monkish things, for the purpose of monk hood.



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The Chinese Communists saw the power in this and developed it's flip side, brainwashing.





And then of course, the CIA saw the power in this and our tax dollars funded the development of a powerful machine capable of changing the minds of teenage pot smokers.    





Every aspect of straight has a counterpart that can be found in a Buddhist monastery. Behavioral counterparts of course, not ideological.





The chanting you describe is just one example of the monastic roots of straight. [ This Message was edited by: dragonfly on 2006-01-06 05:09 ]"




letting go of delusions of self sounds more ideological rather than behavioral. :cry: half of all indian children in those schools died.





i reckon the koreans didn't invent brainwashing either. it seems to be common knowledge among the colonizers of the world.



in my experience, gaining a sense of self as a teenager was part of finding my own way in the world instead of accepting unquestioned indoctrination into the values and the system i saw and was troubled by. my "druggie image" was a symbolic representation in the world, part of my voice that was questioning many things that were taken for granted in this society. by denying me my own voice, literally and symbolically, straight denied me my philosophies and the outer creative expression of my visions and questions as a youth. isn't that the light of the world? the way of the artist and visionary? to interact with the world from the center of your being? i mean, that's integrity, as i see it. the root of power is acting with integrity.



so what would you say to the native americans, that somehow that forced reeducation was based on worthy values or ideologies of monasticism? that it had anything valuable to teach them? let's not get too abstract. the colonizers knew that in order to subjugate them they had to kill the indian. nothing was gained, everything was lost.





















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So you already answered these questions ??  Hmmm.. ??
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« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2006, 07:45:00 PM »
O.K. cool.  

Woof-a-Doof: any comments ??

anyone else ??
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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2006, 07:51:00 PM »
Muther-fucker... :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:...you're alright.
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« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2006, 10:34:00 PM »
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Did this chanting thing happen in other buildings at other locations? Does anyone remember being sickened by it, I mean knowing that the words being screamed did not reflect the truth...Straight was not Great....Straight Sucked....Were we suppossed to actually believe the chant? Was the purpose of this scream/chant to get us motavated.....ugh...sickening


STRAIGHT IS SHIT!


STRAIGHT IS SHIT!


STRAIGHT IS SHIT!



Yup, shaw nuff happened just like that in Sarasota. I would imagine it did in the Seed too. You could ask them.

Life is like a shit sandwich; the more bread you got, the less shit you gotta eat.
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« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2006, 08:27:00 AM »
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And then of course, the CIA saw the power in this and our tax dollars funded the development of a powerful machine capable of changing the minds of teenage pot smokers.    




"Capable of changing the minds of teenage pot smokers"

And how well did that work? Was it really "capable"...I mean after all I am about to have a saturday morning wake-n-bake. They may have fucked with my mind and spirit abit, but they NEVER changed my mind.

Will PUFF PUFF and be back later with the PASS!
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« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2006, 09:21:00 AM »
Pirate...I believe I answered ex-p's question here Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#162582

I agree with Dragonfly some probably are finding this post "tedious". Probably the same amount of folkz are finding it to be "abstract". Personally I find it rather funny that we ran with a topic and went into such a phliosophic direction that many are probably just flat out confused and possibly bored by the entire notion we have been runnng with. We all have or own interests, no? (BTW, Antigen, thanks for sticking to the topic and answering the questions that initiated this thread)

I think it is clear where my interests run. I think we were lied to, I think many things were bastardized, perverted and really really twisted. The end result? A group full of people that by default are understandably contemptious to any of the ancient texts, the monastic ways, and organized religions to such a degree that little if any effort is made in those directions.

It seems easier to argue than to delve into the essence of what has been discussed thru out this post. I mean after all, how many times have we searched and found bullshit? How long can we yearn for something and be disapointed at every at almost every turn. Doesn't it seem easier to be angry, and bitter towards many of the things written in this post? And yet there are some of us that make every effort to pry into that which made us sooo angry.

The nature of the discussion, the reflections of a bullshit program, the memories of pain & humiliation is alot to examine...let alone to discuss it in terms such that all can follow is a formitable task and I do not think it can be accomplished in one thread. I think with our shared experience this endeavor will be monumnetal at best. As a sub-culture of Survivors, POW's, Veterans, we (I think) certainly have our work cut out for us. Yet on a more idividual level I think we have a better chance at obtaining some peace. My quest was an individual one. Disapointment after disapointment came until I realized that this was a solitary venture. People by default will disapoint, organized religions and yes, even the monastaries will disapoint. When I gave up on people, when I gave up on groups of people and focused on that which I sought, I found that peace was not only possible but inevitable.

From time to time you all will witness my anger and rage...then again you will hear of a presence of peace that I have found. You will hear me go on about perminance and imperminace (sp...you would think that after all this talk about the damn words I could at least commit it's proper spelling to memory). Anger and rage in my experience are imperminate experiences...it doesnt last. Yet the peace I speak about is indeed perminate. If I can use an analogy; Think of a bell...like a bell in a tower or even a telephone. The bell by it's design will ring out. Yet by the bells nature, it is silent. Between every ringing of the bell it is followed by silence and it will remain silent untill it is struck again. So, which is perminate? Anger and Rage will make my bell ring, so to speak. Yet once it subsides I return to the very same silence I was at before the ringing (Anger/Rage) takes place. Pirate, you recall once I told you that you will not be denied in your search? Here is how I can further illustrate how I can say that with the absolute confidence. Ya can't be denied in your search/pursuit of peace. Peace is not only possible but inevitable.

In re-reading this reply/response it occured to me that I should have followed my dads advice upon entering college. I should have majored in philosophy and minored in broadcasting, I could then think out loud and get paid for it. I mentioned this to my girl who was also reading this, and she said, "Thats true, sounds like a "Final Thought" on the Jerry Springer Show." Hmmmm Maybe it's time to close this thread...

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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2006, 11:31:00 AM »
::bandit::  ::dove::
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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2006, 03:48:00 PM »
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I think so too. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."--Emerson

Back to the roots of the Program. Well, they are many and varied. I don't think the Program looks so much like a grand conspiracy as it resembles yet another instance of history rhyming; of our society taking on aspects of the dragon we set out to slay.

There is no doubt in my mind that CIA intentionally set out to master and apply the methods used to mindfuck American POWs held in Korean camps. That's pretty well documented these days. And there's no doubt in my mind that the Program bears far more similarity to these methods than could be explained by mere conincidence. That they went to the trouble to reincorporate under the name Straight after the Seed showed up in that federal report, well what does that tell you? And then getting a video endorsement by our ex CIA head president in front of the Presidential seal? Come on, wtf do you think that was all about?

I mean, this stuff has been going down for all of human history. Cult leaders, shamen, priests and clerics have always had a propensity to lure the weak minded or be drawn to them and to sometimes abuse the considerable personal power invested in them by their believers. The only difference between freelance gurus and what we refer to as the Program or the industry is just that; it's an industry. It's organized under a corporate model, just like practically every other aspect of what used to be our private lives.

The government is much more interested in preserving the purity of its ideology than it is in allowing patients to get effective medicine.
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« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2006, 04:51:00 PM »
Ya got sumshit ta say sista, or whatever fuck you !!!
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« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2006, 04:54:00 PM »
Ohh...what was i gonna say..??I forget.  

Oh yeah... I dig Emerson, one right on cat!!!
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