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Offline Woof-a-Doof

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« on: January 06, 2006, 06:14:00 AM »
For what ever reason, yesterday I had a memory of sitting in group in both the Milton Roy building and the Morgan Yacht building. My quess is that it happened in other buildings also.

I remember the entire group screaming/shouting "STRAIGHT IS GREAT, STRAIGHT IS GREAT, STRAIGHT IS GREAT". This happened at least once a day, and sometimes I remember it going on for what seemed like 10-15 minutes. We screamed it at the top of our lungs.

Of course there were some of us that inserted the words "STRAIGHT SUCKS" whilst bellowing out the sickening mantra.

After the memory i thought about it and I recall reading a book on meditation and the use of mantras. The author discouraged the use of mantras (many eastern sects use mantras exclusely...usually the mantra is privatly and individually given to an individual and it is thier own, not to be shared)this guys idea was that the mantra, rather than encouraging an expansion of understanding did just the opposite of it's intent. The repititious chanting closed off the free flowing thought, which the author of the book said brought no one closer to understanding or enlightenment.

Also, I thought about the surrounding buildings, buisnesses (sp)and the people they employed...Didn't they hear us? What did they think? Wasn't anyone curious about all the noise generated by the same kids who were lead into the building by thier belt loops?

The only time I recall being slightly amused by this group chant was when a Staff Member (Marnie Sykes, if I rember correctly)went down the rows of people and each of us had to scream a vowel. One person , one vowel. Then we all yelled that one vowel. The resulting sound was like that of a jungle....wierd. It only happened the one time that I can remember.

As my "anniversary" date nears (as it has many times before) I start giving more and more thought to that intake day and my time incarcerated. Lil things like this chanting thing just seem to consume my thoughts. And it's not like I can really discuss it with anyone, even those near and dear to me...why? Because they can't envision it, they can't begin to imagine it, others simple don't care to hear it.

Did this chanting thing happen in other buildings at other locations? Does anyone remember being sickened by it, I mean knowing that the words being screamed did not reflect the truth...Straight was not Great....Straight Sucked....Were we suppossed to actually believe the chant? Was the purpose of this scream/chant to get us motavated.....ugh...sickening
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2006, 08:54:00 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2006, 10:36:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-06 04:54:00, dragonfly wrote:

"Straight WAS like a monastery in a lot of ways.

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Since the tactics came from the Chinese originally, this should not be surprising.



The intent of the Chinese monasteries was to provide a SAFE place for monks to let go of their delusions of self.

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And to provide HEALTHY impetus to let go of those delusions. Those impetus work, and monks go happily about the day doing monkish things, for the purpose of monk hood.

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The Chinese Communists saw the power in this and developed it's flip side, brainwashing.



And then of course, the CIA saw the power in this and our tax dollars funded the development of a powerful machine capable of changing the minds of teenage pot smokers.    



Every aspect of straight has a counterpart that can be found in a Buddhist monastery. Behavioral counterparts of course, not ideological.



The chanting you describe is just one example of the monastic roots of straight. [ This Message was edited by: dragonfly on 2006-01-06 05:09 ]"


letting go of delusions of self sounds more ideological rather than behavioral. :cry: half of all indian children in those schools died.


i reckon the koreans didn't invent brainwashing either. it seems to be common knowledge among the colonizers of the world.

in my experience, gaining a sense of self as a teenager was part of finding my own way in the world instead of accepting unquestioned indoctrination into the values and the system i saw and was troubled by. my "druggie image" was a symbolic representation in the world, part of my voice that was questioning many things that were taken for granted in this society. by denying me my own voice, literally and symbolically, straight denied me my philosophies and the outer creative expression of my visions and questions as a youth. isn't that the light of the world? the way of the artist and visionary? to interact with the world from the center of your being? i mean, that's integrity, as i see it. the root of power is acting with integrity.

so what would you say to the native americans, that somehow that forced reeducation was based on worthy values or ideologies of monasticism? that it had anything valuable to teach them? let's not get too abstract. the colonizers knew that in order to subjugate them they had to kill the indian. nothing was gained, everything was lost.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2006, 11:06:00 AM »
"America kills art."
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2006, 04:24:00 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2006, 05:53:00 PM »
Now...look what you boys have done...

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2006, 06:25:00 PM »
There are many simillarities between the monastery and the mind rape instituition($tr8t) but one difference is the difference between a willingness to be left devoid of anything of one's own free will and the rape of ever't'in one has ever known, down to the very psyche of the child.  One is come to when the self is tired and distraught of its own accord, disillusioned and ready to let go...the other is arrived at through coercion, manipulation, force and oppression.  One is arrived at by a way of understanding the experience of life... the other, given up through blackmail and intimidation and fear and other ugly things. There is a huge difference.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2006, 06:45:00 PM »
we were the constitutionally rightless; the easily oppressed...

They came down on us while they could, before we had any way to defend ourselves , let alone become socially or politically aggressive.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2006, 07:07:00 PM »
What is a beautiful thing among those who are more experienced and older when they are called to it and called by the way, is ugly and heinous among those who are too young to give up such things.  Those in power feared our way and so they hoped to control us by stripping us of the things that were necessery to our growth.  We  were'nt ready yet to give up our own identities and ego consciousness and delusions of self at the time.  

We were young and strong and willful and still lookin' at the depth and current of the crossin'
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2006, 07:28:00 PM »
Like there is a river to cross...and we need a raft to get across the dangerous and threatening current. The river is a time of life and the raft is the ego consciousness or the idea of the delusion of self(sorry, to get so abstract).

The authority already on the other side fears us(out of their own ego consciousness) so they want to sabotage our crossing.  They can't prevent us from navigating the stream(because we see the stars) but they are adept at germinating confusion and convincing us of our own desires, and so layin the illusion that even though we have now crossed the stream we need to spend our energy carryin' the raft on our heads as we walk across the dry land!!

Throw the raft down!!  And mourn it if you need.  But it is a tool bein' used against you if you know you have already crossed the stream.  

Fuck!!   You know what I mean...
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2006, 08:57:00 PM »
Yep, thats right on Pirate  :smokin:
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2006, 11:23:00 AM »
Dragonfly--> It would appear that the "forgiviness" thread has dropped by the wayside. Operative word being "appear". You have a very strong argument, and I find it fascinating and troublesome simultaniously. As such I have found it difficult to form a rebutal or at least an intelligable responce to your responce on my responce to your 1st responce. :silly:  

Although your stance is elloquently stated, I am still digesting much of it. I am not convinced that I will be able to subcribe to your viewpoint entirely, however I concede that it has made an impression and I am now rexamining much of my thought on the subject of "forgiveness". Nuff said on that issue...for now anyhow.

In regard to this thread; I have never associated the Straight experience to that of monastic life. I was kinda shocked when I read your post. As I said, I never connected the dots (not that they are connected now) of the similarities tween the monistaries (sp) and Straight. Probably the reason your post struck such a nerve is because I have always thought of myself as one fitted for monastic life.

In one of Pirates recent post he discussed leaving everything behind and hitting the road in an effort to "find" himself. I also did that about 9 years ago. About 4 years prior to this quest I had been to Crestone Colorado (population about 600). Here at the foot hills was a string of monastic communities, Zen Buddihist, Taoist Temples and other eastern sects as well as more western religions, sisterhoods of catholosism (sp)...I don't recall the name of the sisters.

As time went on, I felt complled to return, and so I eventually set off back to the mountains. My journey  did not take me back to Colorado as I had intended, but I found myself in yet another monastary just outside of Atlanta. (Conyers Ga....Rockdale County...not really near Atlanta, but close). I was there for a total of 3 weeks.

Here is thier website, http://www.trappist.net/index.html (trappist sounds a little odd huh)

It turned out that the monastary was a place for Priest/Monks of that particualr order and also for Jesuit Priests (whom I found particualry fascinating) to retreat. It also served as an infirmary for ancient priests.

I did not, (still don't) embrace thier belief's. I made no effort to conceal this fact, they made no effort to prosthelitize (sp) me either. I rather enjoyed bantering with the Jesuit's. They seemed just as inquisitive as I was, if not more. I was impressed with thier refusal to "believe" anything because they were expected to believe any particular thing. Just the opposite...they questioned everything, even thier faith..

I digress...

When ya mentioned the parellel between Monastary's and Straight...I, like another poster in this thread, would love to hear more about it. A book was mentioned by Ex-Prisoner..."the roots of brainwashing in monasteries?" I would be real interested in that book being my next read.

EP...also asked/said "why is self seen as bad and delusional? i think that's what straight stole and destroyed and that was real bad for us kids, in addition to all the other bad stuff they stole, destroyed and implanted in us."

"why is self seen as bad and delusional?"...I never really bought into the idea that I was fundementally "bad". I tend to think of it in terms of perminate or impermanate, when it comes to the "delusional" part of the question. I approached it thru a process of negation. ex: I am not my personality. I am not my hopes, I am not my aspirations, I am not my past...blah blah blah.

I have found in my experionce that if delusion is such a "bad" thing. Why is it that the dis-ilussionment (which is supposed to be a good thing) is experienced with such grief?

Straight introduced us to the self-inquiry experience via the way of force, intimidation and humiliation at an totally inappropriate age . Force, intimidation and humiliation are not appropriate in any learning situation that I can think of.  It is truly horrible that it happened...and continues to happen.

I think self-inquiry is a normal endeavor for people in general to one extent or another. But it can't be forced. I have said it here before. They fucked with the poured cement before it cured! So in time came the desire to know that self we seem to be talking about I found alot of confusion, skepticisim and above all resistance. A natural experience in the human existance and has (again) been forever perverted.

I think Anon said it best here "We were'nt ready yet to give up our own identities and ego consciousness and delusions of self at the time."  Eactly...as if I knew what my identity was! I was not a contemplative child upon my intake. I remember being asked what I saw for my future...foolishly I was honest. Because I (at that age) could not fathom a future, and so I answered by saying " I see a black hole". Once said, the tempo of the intake increased. My fate was sealed with those words.

Funny...never expected such indepth responce. Much more to it than I had priviously thought...like there is anything trivial about Straight Inc.

Apologies for rambling
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