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Another 73/74 Seedling Grad
GregFL:
Neil, I didn't say you were 'fine' before going in the seed.
First, that would be admittedly awfully presumptious of me seeing how I didn't know you. I wasn't 'fine' either my man, I had issues.
What I said was your characterization was overly harsh and very black and white. People generally are mostly good or mostly bad, but no one is totally either. Outside forces generally don't change that, such as other people, institutions or whatnot.
So, I am suggesting that even tho you had problems before going in the seed, you were the same person you are now, which I assume is a pretty good guy.
If you were able to use the seed as a turning point in your life, and you didn't take away problems...congrats.
Also, thanks for getting that these experiences are various for different people.
SurRobinHood:
What gets on my nerves about neils posts is even though he has now admited the seed wasn't perfect is his harping on how we had a choice in how it affected us. The whole point of being "programmed" was to remove us from being able to make choices for ourselves. The lack of sleep, the monotonous food, the white painted featureless environment, the constant repitition of phrases defined as THEY chose, the peer pressure groups, constant humiliation for no reason or worse being tortured because you thought there was any good in the world outside the seed. These things were all designed to erase our morals and to some extent even our personalities. This way our minds would feel the need to change our axiology to something that weould allow us to eat and sleep ie survive, as obviously we would die if we didn't. All designed to remove our ability to choose anything at all in any part of our life. I was never allowed to choose anything at all about my life. It was follow blindly repeat what was told to me or be punished for it. After the seed I suppose I could have chosen to see it as a good thing but that would have been pretty stupid of me since not one good thing came from it. Jail could have kept me off drugs more effectively while doing less harm to me. I would have learned more responsability from owning a dog than all that seed drivel. Perhaps a few lucky individuals had some choices but they were the exeption not the rule in my experience.
Stripe:
Sometimes it takes a long,long time for the little patches of light, truth and knowledge to eek through 30+ years of self-reinforced programming.
For some, success in life means that theseed was right and they were worthless pieces of shit and BUT for being saved by Art and the program(ming), they firmly believe they would have continued down their path of personal destruction. The argument is based on a fallacy and that will become apparent soon enough.
Evenutally the veneer cracks and what we thought we believed in changes because our perscpective changes. It's difficult, it's hurtful, and it's exhausting to uproot all you believe about yourself when you are 40+ years old. That's how long it took me to realize what the programming did and how it affected me AND my family. That's a darn long time to live under the influence and while it was hard to overcome, it is not impossible. I am more at peace with my total self now that I have ever been at any other time in my post-seed life.
GregFL:
:tup:
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-09 09:41:00, SurRobinHood wrote:
"The whole point of being "programmed" was to remove us from being able to make choices for ourselves. The lack of sleep, the monotonous food, the white painted featureless environment, the constant repitition of phrases defined as THEY chose, the peer pressure groups, constant humiliation for no reason or worse being tortured because you thought there was any good in the world outside the seed. These things were all designed to erase our morals and to some extent even our personalities.
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--- End quote ---
I took a trip up de nile and that is what the landscape looked like...
It's been common practice for centuries and more to:
Break the compass, clean the area and install a new compass.
Nobody likes being told they need a new compass and certainly nobody likes being broken and wiped clean.
You are complaining about how they removed your old compass and denying that they tried to put in a new and better one.
Humiliation for no reason?
Torture?
These are exagerated perceptions as a result of sloppy compass removal.
I'm pretty sure there is a new compass in there somewhere. It might not be screwed down too tight if you thrashed around too much during installation. Look around real hard. Maybe trying to ignore the sloppy installation job will help you see better. I bet you'll find it.
NAM
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