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Another 73/74 Seedling Grad
GregFL:
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"ditto, I'll second."
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Who would be # 2, then?
Oh yeah, that would be you.
:grin:
Anonymous:
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On 2006-01-02 21:55:00, Antigen wrote:
But you are being uncompassionate. And really hostile, too. Do you talk to people in real life like this?
Think of it in just a slightly different context. What if you got a kidney transplant and all went incredibly well, beyond all expectations. You thank the doctors and the good mother earth and come to nearly worship the staff and think of them and other patient families as family away from home. All that's great till you find out that your new kidney came from a healthy young highschool kid. They just clubbed him over the head, took the damned thing w/o his consent, patched him up a bit then shoved him out the door to make way for the next one and the next.
Still think those mother fuckers are heros worthy of your adoration and defense?
Antigen,
Yes I talk to people like this in real life. Do you?
I didn't know that The Seed sacrificed some other kid's healthy life and gave it to me. My healthy life was what was on the line and I did something about it. The other kid's lives were one the line too. They had/have the oportunity to do something about it and they either did or didn't. What they chose to do was not my problem.
Is the Seed responsible for the humble successes I've had in my life? No. I am. BUT It did play a major role by putting me on a path that gave me a chance.
If the Seed was a monsterous beast that chewed kids up and spit them out as waste, I'm horrified. I'd then also amazed that I participated in such a treterous program and escaped with my health. How did that happen?
They may be mother fuckers but I do not adore them and I'm not in a position to defend them nor am I attempting to. I am defending my experience though. It wasn't fun but I used it to get going in the right direction.
Neil
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GregFL:
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I didn't know that The Seed sacrificed some other kid's healthy life and gave it to me.....
If the Seed was a monsterous beast that chewed kids up and spit them out as waste, I'm horrified. I'd then also amazed that I participated in such a treterous program and escaped with my health. How did that happen?
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This is one of the things Neil, that has come out of this website. Those of us who perceived we were "helped" by the seed just assumed it helped most everyone and everyone benefited. Those of us who were harmed felt it was generally harmfull, oppressive and dangerous.
I think what we have collectively discovered is that The Seed experience was extremely varied depending on many factors, inluding your age, your actual 'problems' when you went in, how long you stayed, how rebellious in nature you are, what personality type you exhibit, how involved you became, how involved your family became, how quickly you were able to detach, how much your support system caved in around you, and on and on.
Yes Neil, many kids were chewed up and spit out by the seed. I was one of them. I also know many who shrugged it off and went on with their life like nothing happened. But the "success ratio" of the seed? As far as I can tell, only a handfull of kids stopped using, and many many went on to greater problems. We even have a seed grad on death row in florida, and his lawyer used his time in the seed to demonstrate psychological harm in his unsuccessfull appeal. I know many grads that committed suicide, and several others that Od'd on drugs. Many adults who find this site choose not to post, but I receive emails from people that feel devestated by their experience and feel they are forced to keep a dirty little secret from their spouses and children.
I think Ginger's analogy is fitting.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-02 07:29:00, GregFL wrote:
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On 2006-01-01 21:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
The magic did wear off. It was the magic of honesty.
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Okay, Im calling major bullshit on that statement. THe seed was perhaps one of the most dishonest places ever conceived of.
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Greg,
I wasn't refering to the Seed's honesty I was refering to mine.
Although I did run into folks that wouldn't rest until I agreed with them, even when they were wrong, I believe that the ideas and perceptions about myself "I" came to were indeed true. As I have revisited any of the issues I had then, over time they still hold valid and the guys who held my feet to the fire are still appreciated.
As to your poor reception upon returning to the Seed, I'm not surprised. Good or bad, that environment was controlled and protected. Opening themselves up to a "possible" threat wouldn't have been prudent. The fact that they didn't have some way to show appreciation of grads is too bad. Woulda, coulda shoulda...
I never had the urge to go back.
Neil
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-04 07:07:00, GregFL wrote
This is one of the things Neil, that has come out of this website. Those of us who perceived we were "helped" by the seed just assumed it helped most everyone and everyone benefited. Those of us who were harmed felt it was generally harmfull, oppressive and dangerous.
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Greg,
Thank you so much for that response. Best thing I've heard yet.
I've always known that the process at The Seed was contoversial but have never gotten any info on the success and failures.
That is a very difficult field and The Seed certainly wasn't 6 flags over hwy 84 and I'm pretty sure that no kid went there without some sort of problem.
Based on my experience, which was founded on doing things for myself, it's hard to see how the process is blamed for a failure. I have always put the success or failure on the shoulders of the indivdual. Yeah well, a teenager... maybe not completely... which is probably where you are basing your case.
Neil
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