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Karlye Newman at SCL

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Anonymous:
People who complete suicide don't mean to "not actually kill" themselves.

This girl had multiple attempts.

People who complete suicide after multiple attempts are, at least when they do it, deeply miserable and want the hell out of their lives.

How do I know?  People like me know more about it than anybody else who's still alive to tell you.

I was suicidal from the time I was five years old until I finally started getting effective treatment at twenty-five.  It's a minor miracle that I'm alive--twenty percent of the people who had the same thing, and the same lack of psychiatric treatment, aren't.

I stress that I was never in a Program and that the Programs do not count as effective psychiatric treatment.  Medical model RTCs that only take the seriously mentally ill, real mental hospitals, or outpatient psychiatric care are what counts as effective psychiatric treatment.

Using the Programs for children with major mental illnesses is like using Lydia Pinkham's for children with cancer.

Julie

emaree:
Very few people listened to Karlye or gave her any attention aside from restraint and time in the hobbit.

Her parents were not very supportive of her. Imagine being completely depressed, wanting to end your life because the stress the program is causing you is too much to bear along with your prior issues, and your parents refuse to listen to a word of complaining, because that is how the program designs it. no phone calls, just letters here and there. Filtered communication. Family reps whispering into their ears.

And Karyle, having the same routine every day without progress, getting constant drops for dumb consequences. She really did try hard. She was such a good person. I worked her family 3-4 days a week for 13 or 14 hours a day (I was a upper level student, "junior staff"). It was hard to devote all your time to a certain "lower level", but I tried as often as I could to talk to her because she seemed so lonely and angry. Some staff were great, of course, but not enough of them to really make a difference.

At the time of the incident, I was with someone that had a radio, and in the middle of everything. I was one of the first students to find out, and it really rocked those of us that knew her. I felt so sick at the time, so dizzy. Karyle was not even dead when they found her, and she was in there for a fair amount of time alone. I hate the fact that she suffered. She was med flighted out and died on the way.

As I remember it, the family mother and her bunk buddy thought that she had gone with the family rep after group therapy. So she was marked as accounted for on the headcount when they left for the classroom. Shortly after the news of her death, all the upper levels were brought to the court and Cameron Pullan talked to us about what had happened. That night, they sent us to work in the lower level families to help them cope, and then four admin staff went to all the cabins and informed the families, one by one. The following nights Cameron and Chaffin did memorials for her, one for the boys and one for the girls. They were very emotional and moving. But then, Karlye's name and the incident became forbidden discussion. I don't think anyone knew how to cope with it. We were conditioned to forget, and it was so. She was just such a good person. That's all I think about. She didn't deserve to be treated like she was.

Nihilanthic:
Im not trying to rain on your parade here, but I just noticed a few thing WWASPS does a lot that really kills me.... making that knot in my gut from reading about how they pushed this girl to kill herself even tighter.


--- Quote ---The following nights Cameron and Chaffin did memorials for her, one for the boys and one for the girls. They were very emotional and moving.
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Any excuse to cause regresion, it seems :roll:



--- Quote ---But then, Karlye's name and the incident became forbidden discussion. I don't think anyone knew how to cope with it. We were conditioned to forget, and it was so. She was just such a good person. That's all I think about. She didn't deserve to be treated like she was.
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Making you go 'forget' and forbidding discussion over that is utterly barbaric. Thats just the icing on the cake... I honestly dont know how any of you were able to survive that.

Program survivors amaze me more and more every day. I just hope that the day will come that we can put an end to all this bullshit and that she did not die in vain.

Anonymous:
I wonder if the Sanders county sheriff looked into this one.

Anonymous:
This would have been me, if I'd ever got sent to a Program.

Thank goodness my parents weren't that stupid.

That poor little girl.

There's a special level of hell for the bastards that drove her to die.

Julie

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