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[Anonymous]

rofl.  Helena, you are WAY WAY off.  Try $3,000 for the entire program, however long you took there (plus $50 to &100 a month food).  You are really ignorant if you really think it cost $3,000 a month there. HA   Your mom must have really snowed you (IF that's where you got that figure from).  AND, there was no additional fee for those who graduated and then needed to come back for refreshers, etc.  It was a LIFETIME fee.  
 Now once Venice hospital took over I can't tell you what the fee was raised to, as I'm sure it WAS raised.  Hospitals ALWAYS charge more.  Palms was about $10,000 a month back then (as I had a friend who went there) They'd use up your insurance , then release ya.  But old Pete was long gone from LIFE by then.
 DO you REALLY think your mom paid $3000 a MONTH?  How long were you there?  AT 6 months, that would be $16,000 . IN the 80's that would be a NICE income.  Living in lower income sections of Sarasota I seriously doubt your mom came up with that.  Payment was 50% up front and 50% within 30 days to remain in program. It wasn't "monthly".

[Helena Handbasket]

rofl.  Helena, you are WAY WAY off.  Try $3,000 for the entire program, however long you took there (plus $50 to &100 a month food).  You are really ignorant if you really think it cost $3,000 a month there. HA   Your mom must have really snowed you (IF that's where you got that figure from).  AND, there was no additional fee for those who graduated and then needed to come back for refreshers, etc.  It was a LIFETIME fee.  

Ok fine, and no, I don't believe my mother snowed me. I think she really believes it - kinda like she really believed I was a druggie whore who was out to "railroad" her.  But I digress.

So if there was a flat $3000 fee, where does this sliding scale come in?  I am certain I saw "Sliding Fee Scale" documented someplace.

Now once Venice hospital took over I can't tell you what the fee was raised to, as I'm sure it WAS raised.  Hospitals ALWAYS charge more.  Palms was about $10,000 a month back then (as I had a friend who went there) They'd use up your insurance , then release ya.  But old Pete was long gone from LIFE by then.

 DO you REALLY think your mom paid $3000 a MONTH?  How long were you there?  AT 6 months, that would be $16,000 . IN the 80's that would be a NICE income.  Living in lower income sections of Sarasota I seriously doubt your mom came up with that.  Payment was 50% up front and 50% within 30 days to remain in program. It wasn't "monthly".



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Hey, I'm telling you what I was told, and I filled in the sliding scale portion with stuff I saw with my own eyes.  

So how many new kids were reigned in every month?
at 10 kids a month, that's still 30,000. If no one made money, then where did it go?  I understand Paid staff only made minimum wage, which was $3.35 an hour in '84.  

The building alone sold in 1992 for more than 2 million dollars, and corporations generally sell for more than the price of a building.  Where did that money go?

The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-26 13:18:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

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rofl.  Helena, you are WAY WAY off.  Try $3,000 for the entire program, however long you took there (plus $50 to &100 a month food).  You are really ignorant if you really think it cost $3,000 a month there. HA   Your mom must have really snowed you (IF that's where you got that figure from).  AND, there was no additional fee for those who graduated and then needed to come back for refreshers, etc.  It was a LIFETIME fee.  

Ok fine, and no, I don't believe my mother snowed me. I think she really believes it - kinda like she really believed I was a druggie whore who was out to "railroad" her.  But I digress.



So if there was a flat $3000 fee, where does this sliding scale come in?  I am certain I saw "Sliding Fee Scale" documented someplace.

Now once Venice hospital took over I can't tell you what the fee was raised to, as I'm sure it WAS raised.  Hospitals ALWAYS charge more.  Palms was about $10,000 a month back then (as I had a friend who went there) They'd use up your insurance , then release ya.  But old Pete was long gone from LIFE by then.


 DO you REALLY think your mom paid $3000 a MONTH?  How long were you there?  AT 6 months, that would be $16,000 . IN the 80's that would be a NICE income.  Living in lower income sections of Sarasota I seriously doubt your mom came up with that.  Payment was 50% up front and 50% within 30 days to remain in program. It wasn't "monthly".





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Hey, I'm telling you what I was told, and I filled in the sliding scale portion with stuff I saw with my own eyes.  



So how many new kids were reigned in every month?

at 10 kids a month, that's still 30,000. If no one made money, then where did it go?  I understand Paid staff only made minimum wage, which was $3.35 an hour in '84.  



The building alone sold in 1992 for more than 2 million dollars, and corporations generally sell for more than the price of a building.  Where did that money go?

The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist

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  Well I wasn't the accountant there, but wasn't there about 4 Executive staff (Peterman, Rozelle, DeClue, Huntley, Griffith) or more?  Then 10 or so peer staff, Ms Robb (kitchen), a receptionist, a Nurse. Utilities, It adds up.  No one got rich off those fees.

[Helena Handbasket]

  Well I wasn't the accountant there, but wasn't there about 4 Executive staff (Peterman, Rozelle, DeClue, Huntley, Griffith) or more?  Then 10 or so peer staff, Ms Robb (kitchen), a receptionist, a Nurse. Utilities, It adds up.  No one got rich off those fees."

So where did the 2 million go from the sale to Venice Regional?

All that aside - yes, I know it costs money to run any business, and a lot of people in business are barely breaking even.

I think the big issue is: $3000 for what?  I personally NEVER saw a licensed psychologist while I was there - in fact, I never heard the name DeClue until my mother brought it up 21 years later.  The other executive staff?  Never heard of 'em.  

So in effect, these parents shelled out 3000 bucks to have their kids verbally decimated by other kids, then end each day with more of the same while at the host home - depending on the ego needs of the oldcomer.

It's really not about the money - it's about the quality of the treatment.

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones

[Anonymous]

So how many new kids were reigned in every month?
at 10 kids a month, that's still 30,000. If no one made money, then where did it go? I understand Paid staff only made minimum wage, which was $3.35 an hour in '84.

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Actually peer staff didn't even make minimum wage.  They got paid salary and it worked out to just under $2 per hour most of the time. When I was on staff, I got paid about $400 a month and I worked over 50 hours per week. But we weren't allowed to talk to each other about pay.  So I haven't a clue as to what others got paid.

[Antigen]

Ya' know, we really could use some solid figures in this discussion. Anybody inclined to get the tax returns from IRS? If LIFE was non-profit, they're public info.

Most of these groups do wind up with a handful of people at the top becoming very wealthy. That's just human nature. When you've got a herd of mindfucked followers willing to do anything, pay anything, beg, borrow and embelish for the cause AND who will reliably tell you you're right no matter how much you may come off like Donald Rumsfeld, it's practically inevitable that you'll allow them to make you very wealthy.

I'd be interested to see just who fucked who and where the money went in this little substory.

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
http://smack.accesscard.org/index/misc/atheist/' target='_new'>Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

[Anonymous]

Where did the 2 million figure come from for the sale of the program?

  Anon ,  what year(s) were you on staff?

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-12-26 19:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

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  Where did the 2 million figure come from for the sale of the program?



  Anon ,  what year(s) were you on staff?"

Public records, m'friend!

Verbatim:  http://www.sarasotaproperty.net/scpa_tr ... &year=2005

To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.
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[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-12-26 18:25:00, Antigen wrote:

"Ya' know, we really could use some solid figures in this discussion. Anybody inclined to get the tax returns from IRS? If LIFE was non-profit, they're public info.

Oh you mean actual facts? :grin:  Shouldn't be difficult.

Faith means not wanting to know what is true.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-26 19:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

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  Where did the 2 million figure come from for the sale of the program?



  Anon ,  what year(s) were you on staff?"

Late 88 and all of 89.

[Anonymous]

My stay was around 3K a month, and the fees were based on income.

My mother and I were talking about this today. My mom told me that she had to put $3,000 down and then paid another $3,000 or so in monthly payments plus $100 per month for food and then a couple of hundred to stay at the rez for a month.  My mother in law had a family member who went through the program shortly after I was there and his parents paid almost $10,000 for his stay.  At least that is what  my mother in law said.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-27 21:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

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My stay was around 3K a month, and the fees were based on income.

My mother and I were talking about this today. My mom told me that she had to put $3,000 down and then paid another $3,000 or so in monthly payments plus $100 per month for food and then a couple of hundred to stay at the rez for a month.  My mother in law had a family member who went through the program shortly after I was there and his parents paid almost $10,000 for his stay.  At least that is what  my mother in law said.  "

 damn     I find that HARD to believe.  How long were you there?  How much did they shell out?  What kind of work did your mom do (that she cold afford $3000 a MONTH)?

[Anonymous]

Here's what my dad had to say about the price:

 *Well... I meant to tell you that I think you are very close on your figures. I seem to remember it being $3000 to $3600 or $3800 when you went in. That was a one time fee, plus monthly food costs, etc.  I remember the O'Rawes talking about the cost going up quite a bit when the Venice Hospital got involved. *

  This was in the mid 80's.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-28 09:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-12-27 21:42:00, Anonymous wrote:


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My stay was around 3K a month, and the fees were based on income.

My mother and I were talking about this today. My mom told me that she had to put $3,000 down and then paid another $3,000 or so in monthly payments plus $100 per month for food and then a couple of hundred to stay at the rez for a month.  My mother in law had a family member who went through the program shortly after I was there and his parents paid almost $10,000 for his stay.  At least that is what  my mother in law said.  "

 damn     I find that HARD to believe.  How long were you there?  How much did they shell out?  What kind of work did your mom do (that she cold afford $3000 a MONTH)?"

No I meant that she had to pay another $3000 in monthly payments.  I think she paid 12 installments to get to the $3,000. Not actually $3,000 per month.  Sorry that wasn't more clear.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-28 17:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-12-28 09:13:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-12-27 21:42:00, Anonymous wrote:



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My stay was around 3K a month, and the fees were based on income.

My mother and I were talking about this today. My mom told me that she had to put $3,000 down and then paid another $3,000 or so in monthly payments plus $100 per month for food and then a couple of hundred to stay at the rez for a month.  My mother in law had a family member who went through the program shortly after I was there and his parents paid almost $10,000 for his stay.  At least that is what  my mother in law said.  "

 damn     I find that HARD to believe.  How long were you there?  How much did they shell out?  What kind of work did your mom do (that she cold afford $3000 a MONTH)?"

No I meant that she had to pay another $3000 in monthly payments.  I think she paid 12 installments to get to the $3,000. Not actually $3,000 per month.  Sorry that wasn't more clear."

  yes -  that's what I understood you to say and I say DAMN.  How long were you in the program?  At 6 months, that's 18,000 PLUS!  What did your mom do (career wise)??