average stay of a graduate: 2-2 1/2 years. average stay of a signout: 3+ years. laws have changed, making elan what it is today. While difficult, no where near what you other guys went thru in the 80-90's. mostly people with drug problems would be there, now its all 13 year old kids with ADD. seriously, i think i saw the last "glimmer" of what elan used to stand for, and then sharon went a little crazy :eek: and decided to let these little fuckers in. Who, at 13 years old, could possibly be mature enough and capable to absorb and comprehend the "lifeskills" we learn at elan? fucking absolutly ridiculous. And at 13, shit, thats 5 years, at $46,000 a year, so a 230,000 grand fucking stay, and no one that spends their teens in a place like that stands a chance of transitioning back into the world and being successful. And this shit is really going on right now.