Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Another WWASP death
TheWho:
**** And that's what would make you a prime target for these places. There are a few reasons this industry exists, but need is not one of them. There may be a perceived need, but its not reality. Money, desire for guru status, well-intentioned but misguided samaritans, control....those are some of the main reasons this industry exists. ****
You can spin it anyway you want, but you are not going to walk into a car dealership unless you are looking for a car !!! and people need cars. The industry is needed by many and I agree abused and misrepresented by some. But people are seeking help for their kids.
*****Yes, but those percentages are FAR lower than any of the TBS/RTC/Bootcamp/Wilderness programs will have you believe. Its all part and parcel of the fear mongering *****
Most parents are not concerned with cigarette smoking or alcohol, they have a child in crisis, who is heading down a destructive path , who is harming themselves and their family. This isnt a sales pitch that someone tells them, it is what they are living.
Now I agree that they may gets some bad advice on possible solutions. Some of these places are not great for kids and not all kids belong in all of these places. A parent needs to get themselves well informed before choosing a solution that fits their family
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 05:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
What I read is the person has tried everything they know to help their child and the family is still in crisis. I would disagree that very few families get to the point of having to ask for outside help to keep their children safe.
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Really? What I read is that the parents have knocked on every door and rung every phone they know of and the consensus among local authorities, educators and professionals does not support locking the kid up. So, like a pill junkie shopping doctors, they keep at it till they find you to support their delusions.
--- Quote ---How does this relate to not loving your child?
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Oh, I didn't say they don't love their kids. I said their freaks for rejecting their kid in favor of a broken, tamed, shadow of their former selves.
--- Quote ---If your child gets sick and you have exhausted everything you know of to help him, exhausted all your personal time at work to stay with him and he isnt getting any better or maybe getting worse, would it be unloving to seek outside help?
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Look at the topic heading again. Do you still think these parents made the right choice for their kid? Do you really believe these programs are safer than the real world for the kids? I don't. The evidence doesn't bear it out.
--- Quote ---Would you consider this shipping him off to like a dog?
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Yeah, I do.
I'm a PATRIOT because I believe in the nations ability to un-fuck itself.
--Nihilanthic
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WWFSMD:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
You can spin it anyway you want, but you are not going to walk into a car dealership unless you are looking for a car !!! and people need cars. The industry is needed by many and I agree abused and misrepresented by some. But people are seeking help for their kids.
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No one needs that kind of "help". The industry in not needed by many....maybe desired by parents looking for the magical fix for teen rebellion but this industry is not needed at all.
--- Quote ---Most parents are not concerned with cigarette smoking or alcohol, they have a child in crisis, who is heading down a destructive path , who is harming themselves and their family. This isnt a sales pitch that someone tells them, it is what they are living.
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Go look at any of the "warning signs" on the program websites. They describe just about every teen on the planet. Of COURSE its a sales pitch! :roll:
--- Quote ---Now I agree that they may gets some bad advice on possible solutions. Some of these places are not great for kids and not all kids belong in all of these places. A parent needs to get themselves well informed before choosing a solution that fits their family
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A parent needs to take responsibility for raising their own kid. If they really are honest to god that scared, there are far better options than these places. Including doing nothing. primum non nocere
If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness,
then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the HEMP it was written on.
Terence McKenna, 1946-2000
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-11 07:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
How would fornits be if kids had THAT power over you - imagine that- you you might get a small glimpse of what it's like being locked up at WWASP, obviously you have no idea judging by your comment above.
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Nonexistant. I just wouldn't be a party to anything like that. How some ever... we do have one such program for the truely kool-aid drunk. Here's their web page:
http://fornits.com/SIBS/
Come in the evening, or come in the morning; Come when you 're looked for, or come without warning.
-- Thomas O. Davis (1814-1845): The Welcome.
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TheWho:
**** Would you consider this shipping him off to like a dog?
Yeah, I do.***
Antigen -- I think I want you to take a step back and recalibrate. You really feel that anytime a child needs to be separated from from their parents for a sickness it is considered shipping them off.
You have gone from "Anti All programs" to just "antiparents". Kids get sick, we have people in our church that have sent their kids here from overseas as burn victims and they cant afford to come themselves, so as you say they have "Ship them off" I know they are loving parents because I have spoken to people who have met them and if they could be with their daughter they would have, but they would miss months of work and plane fare that amounts to 6 months pay for them.
Not everyone can solve their problem at home or be with them during treatment, I am just amazed that you take this position.
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