Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Anyone grateful for the time at Spring Creek Lodge?
Anonymous:
The same type of attitude some adults on here have towards people being abused is, sadly, the same one they have when their kids tell them what's happened. They speak as if whatever the teens have done (having sex, talking back, running away, breaking a program rule) is some sort of justification for using torture as a form of delayed and extended punishment. You're the same types who would've made good Nazis or joined in on the Abu Ghraib abuse.
I was at a program where we stood demerits, facing the wall without moving or talking, no radio or background noise permitted, for 25 minute increments each. About half the facility would get an average of 2-3 daily for minor offenses. Once we asked the staff to stand just one demerit, just once, to see what it was like. Only one woman took us up on the offer, she couldn't make it through, she cried, and she actually began to talk to us for the more minor offenses (stray hair stuck in shower drain) rather than give out demerits every time a minor infraction occurred.
As an adult, I hope to instill compassion and forgiveness in my own children. Let he who is perfect cast the first stone.
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-03 18:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The same type of attitude some adults on here have towards people being abused is, sadly, the same one they have when their kids tell them what's happened. They speak as if whatever the teens have done (having sex, talking back, running away, breaking a program rule) is some sort of justification for using torture as a form of delayed and extended punishment. You're the same types who would've made good Nazis or joined in on the Abu Ghraib abuse.
I was at a program where we stood demerits, facing the wall without moving or talking, no radio or background noise permitted, for 25 minute increments each. About half the facility would get an average of 2-3 daily for minor offenses. Once we asked the staff to stand just one demerit, just once, to see what it was like. Only one woman took us up on the offer, she couldn't make it through, she cried, and she actually began to talk to us for the more minor offenses (stray hair stuck in shower drain) rather than give out demerits every time a minor infraction occurred.
As an adult, I hope to instill compassion and forgiveness in my own children. Let he who is perfect cast the first stone."
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Ive ALWAYS wondered why people could do this to others and not even have the thought of thinking what it would be like to go through it themselves!
But hey, when youve had such stories as one of the Kays saying you HAVE to break down the childs will and make them feel hopeless (anyone got that quote?) or that BS parent who said it was GOOD when her child had to hae his nose to a wall in a stress position and how vthe staffer talked to teh kid and they "laughed about it" they demonstrate their lack of thinking ability. :roll:
Nobody writes curriculum for self-determined spiritual individuals and expects to sell it in the public school market.
John Taylor Gatto
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Anonymous:
I was at scl in 2001 and 2002... a long time ago now. in retrospect i am not quite sure how i feel. personally i dont agree with many of the programs practices, but at the same time I miss the place. I visit every so often, and I honestly have a soft spot for the place in my heart. times have changed tho, and from what I see when i go back and visit, the place is looser, which in my opinion makes for less bonding and stuff. i dunno, i guess im glad i went there. i was actually happy. but at the time i just wanted to get home. to be honest, id go back as a student to 2001 in a heartbeat.
-Mike O'Brien
I am not denying that abuse goes on sometimes at SCL tho. there is shit that happens, that shouldn't. But for me, i enjoyed myself :smile:
Nihilanthic:
"looser" = "less bonding and stuff"? So, bonding only comes from suffering and torment? "Daddy says I love you with his belt" comes to mind.
And you miss a place that you dont deny being abusive? :???:
You spoken to a therapist? Im sure youve heard of stockholm syndrome by now, but this just besmirks of being brainwashed.
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2006-01-03 21:20 ]
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---i dont agree with many of the programs practices
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--- Quote ---I am not denying that abuse goes on sometimes at SCL tho.
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You really don't think there is somehwere better for parents to send their kids who need 'help' or treatment or whatever? Sure some of us made some good friends while we were there... I did too. But come on, would you actually suggest this place to other people? It's nothing but a scam... they wharehouse teens for money. That's it. Add some humiliation and fear tactics and you got 'behavior mod' I guess. Oh well- obviously I DONT support WWASP or SCL... but to each his own. GOod luck with your future.
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