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Topic: New Attorney General

SHH  posted 2/21/05 2:03 AM    
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As the author of memos telling President Bush that it is OK to circumvent the Geneva Convention and OK to torture prisoners under our control however we see fit, how in the HECK do you think you are going to find sympathy with the likes of Gonzales????? PULEEZE....he is not in the least concerned about anyone's safety or rights..and certainly not your children's. I am sure he could care less.  


RobertBruce  posted 2/22/05 4:27 AM    
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Uhoh you sound scared. Afraid the big bad attorney general is going to come and close your little school down? We can all hope. I think Mr. Gonzalez might be sympathetic to our cause simply because he unlike you and your sick child abusing friends, is able to make the distinction between children and terrorist.  


SHH  posted 2/23/05 3:56 AM    
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The only terrorists I am concerned about are Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and Rice, and a few others who shall remain nameless. They have taken our so-called freedoms and flushed them down the toilet in the name of "national security". National security?? PULEEZE! Bush is more a threat to the American Way than any other president EVER. THATS what I think of that topic.  


RobertBruce  posted 2/23/05 4:48 AM    
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The only terrorist I am concerned about are Bucci, Lindsay, Parnham, Witherspoon, and the Greys and a few other who will soon be named. They have took our so called freedoms and flushed them down the toilet in the name of "helping children" PULEEZE! HLA is more of a threat to children in America then other school EVER! Thats what I think of that topic.
Oh and youre an idiot. Or did you not hear about a couple of buildings that fell down a few years back due to terrorist other than the ones you named?  


SHH  posted 2/23/05 6:36 AM    
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ID be careful throwing the Grays name around...those are my son's grandparents, and in their 60s and semi retired now, and dont even live in georgia anymore..and NEVER and I do mean NEVER...have they abused you. One was a cook, the other a maintenance employee..and were never in a position to do anything other than fix your air conditioning or make your dinner! If you have a beef with counselors thats one thing...a cook and maintenance worker??? Get back to reality Robert. Stick with your so-called facts.  


RobertBruce  posted 2/23/05 3:45 PM    
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Oh I will, just as you will stick to your sick delusions about not abusing children. So you were Bills wife? How is the fat bastard? Let me ask you about these maintance workers you speak of. Since all real maintance was preformed by the slaves the school kept on the property (Im sorry would you prefer I called them students?) What exactly did Bill ever do? Fixed air conditioners? Thats funny I remember a gas leak once occuring in one of the girls dorms that took a week to repair. Man he must have been on the ball huh? Well I guess it was easy to justify letting girls sleep in that kind of envionrnment since your husband blamed it on the students claiming we had somehow caused the gas leak ourselves. As to your former mother in law, well the food speaks for itself.  


SHH  posted 2/23/05 3:51 PM    
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Oh geez whatever Robert....there were at least 3 maintenance workers that fixed things....the students didnt fix things but they did help out with some things. And gas leaks usually have to be repaired by a company or the gas company. I dont know anything about the gas leak you are referring to but if it was a danger I am sure they had to leave it off until someone came to fix it. And as far as my mother in law's cooking...the kids loved her cookies and cole slaw...so you must be thinking of another cook. Anyway, I am getting tired of the personal insults you throw instead of REAL debating. I enjoy a good debate but I havent bashed you personally, only some statements you made. Because of your statements made to me personally about my personality, behavior, etc...they make your argument even less credible. You dont know me. You can be sure of that. You have probably never seen or met me or if you did, dont even know what I look like, so how can you judge me? you cant. Thats the point. Im done with you Robert. I enjoyed the debate. But you got immature with it. Continue without me please.  


RobertBruce  posted 2/24/05 0:26 AM    
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students "helped out with some things" try again. The students were made to maintain the upkeep of the entire campus. Helped out with some things would imply we assisted someone else who bore the full respondsibility. As we both know this is untrue. As far as the gas leak goes, the fact remains nothing was done for a week except to tell the girls they could wash there clothes but could not dry them as using the dryer was out of the question. Oh and the girls stayed put in the dorms the entire time per your husbands instructions. Dont pretend you dont remember it, or have you conviently forgotten along with all of your other child abusing crimes? Also dont kid yourself about the food, youre forgetting that we were the ones who had to often prep the food and clean up everything afterwards. Your mother-in-law and every other cook there never made anything, they heated things up or added water to it. Everything was prepackaged and almost all of it was preprepared. You claim youre getting tired of the personal insults? More likely youre getting tired of hearing the truth and not being able to punish anyone for speaking it, and yes the fact remains I do know you and I do remember you, again I was there the same time you worked there. I can judge you because I know who you worked for and I know what you supported and still do to this day, thats sufficent.


SHH  posted 3/2/05 4:07 AM    
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All Prepackaged HA!!!!.......she made homemade cole slaw, homemade cookies, homemade brownies, homemade meatloaf...etc etc etc etc....SOME things were premade like some of the pies but MOST like 80% was made there...Robert are you SURE you went to the same school??? Really some of the stuff you are saying is just totally untrue or way exaggerated.  


SHH  posted 3/2/05 4:11 AM    
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OH and while we are on the subject...the maintenance people DID hold the responsibility...the students HELPED in kitchen prep and cleaning and in maintenance because that is the design....to make students be responsible and learn something. I worked in the kitchen in my high school AND in my college both. Never hurt me one bit. It was part of the deal. And the maintenance people DID do most of the stuff so don't come on here and paint this picture of slave labor because that is NOT what it was. Students helped out and also on punishment they were made to do chores around campus like clean up the campus and trim bushes and weed flower beds..nothing TRAGIC!! OMG chores!!!! what a concept LMAO  


RobertBruce  posted 3/2/05 7:23 PM    
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Never hurt us one bit huh? I can offer you numerous examples of children who were in fact injured due to the slave labor they were forced to participate in. Let me know if youd like to hear about them, Im sure you wont. Furthermore can you briefly explain to me why the school never seemed to employ any janitors? Oh wait never mind stupid question, why would Bucci pay someone to do something he can force the kids to do for free?
Also dont kid yourself the work assingnment slaves never helped any maintance people with anything, we did it all on our own, and if we didnt well then that was cause to have a drill instructor restrain us.
Tell me though, is cleaning a dumpster without tools both theraputic, and safe or is it just a cost cutting measure at what is little more than a forced labor camp?
Oh and if homemade coleslaw is the best defense you can come up with, this is going to be easier than I thought. Again you think because you say something adamently that its the end of it. Its not, we did the food prep work remember, not any of the cooks, well us and Sysco.  


SHH  posted 3/2/05 10:57 PM    
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I can say this with complete confidence that several of your statements in your above post are blatant lies. And you KNOW they are Robert, cut the crap will ya? MY mother in law worked in the kitchen and I was in there MANY times and I know what was pre-prepared and not pre-prepared...I know that MOST of the food was homemade...like all restaurant and large facilities SOME of it was brought in frozen and then cooked at the school BUT most was homemade.and my father in law was one of the main maintenance people at that time, and they DID work their asses off AND,, they did have people who cleaned and were janitors, but the kids were required to help keep their own bathrooms clean just like AT HOME DUH OMG once again Im catching you in a lie OMG what a shock!!! LMAO keep it up Robert....youre looking more and more pathetic the more you rant and rave. Because Robert I WAS there and I DO know what went on while I was there..cant speak about now but I can about when I was there. OH and by the way...Sysco wasnt their food service way back then..it became their food service later..ONCE again..another lie. Geez Robert youre really getting tiring. I CANT lie about what I LIVED remember??? I WAS THERE for 4 years!  


NAMELESS  posted 3/3/05 3:05 AM    
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you go shh whoever you are. i am sick and tired of this "robert" and his crap. i read this board because it is amusing to read robert's come backs if that is what you want to call it.  


RobertBruce  posted 3/3/05 5:47 AM    
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Nameless youre getting tired of my "crap" or as I prefer to call it "the truth"? Thats interesting I guess now you and the staff of HLA have something in common.
Shhh, your Sysco comments make zero sense whatsoever, since you dont know the exact dates of when I attended the school, you cant know whether I was there before them or after them. As to your maintance comments, well again you know not of which you speak. We did a little more then cleaning the dorm bathrooms, or perhaps youd like to share what the students do every saturday morning. Im sure youll have no problem listing off the cleaning activities since its just cleaning the bathrooms right? Furthermore why not elaborate on what a typical work assingnment entails.
Also since youre claiming that because you lived there, that you KNOW what went on. Yet youve made numerous comments admitting that you didnt know a great deal of went on, and have been proven wrong on a number of issues you claimed you were certian (remember you claimed no students were on restriction for longer than a week, or that any employee who touched a student was automatically fired). Furthermore weve already established that while you may have lived on the property for longer than any student, you did not experience any of what the students went through, thus a student has more credibility when describing what the school was like then you do, accept that. Also you claim because you lived there, you cant lie about it.......I could have sworn I lived there as well, so I guess I cant lie about it either then. Do you not think through your stupid and baseless arguments before you make them? You can and have lied numerous times concerning the school, as you are currently. The students were respondsible for the general upkeep of almost the entire campus, a little more than bathrooms, as well the students were respondsible for much of the food prep as well as the upkeep of the kitchen, again face facts I lived it you didnt. I will admitt that at its inception the food quality may have been different, I cannot speak on the workings of the school prior to my enrollment, however I can and will speak of my the period of my enrollment and onward since I have something to base it on. For that time period I can tell you from my own experiences and the testimony of others, the food was crap, and nothing was anymore home made then you would find at any average resturnate, well with the exception being that generally the food and service is better at a resturante. If it ran at the quality of the HLA cafeteria it would have to close its doors within a matter of weeks, no one chooses to eat that garbage.
Im wondering though also, since you claim that I look pathetic due to my "ranting and raving", yet if this is true why is HLA running scared? I mean going so far as to send ol Marty their lawyer on here to try and shut me up? Looks like ol Bucci would prefer I didnt spill so many in house secrets, to bad for him Im going to keep it up.
Oh and just to keep you in check, youve never caught me in a lie, to add to your issues of promiscuity, child abusing, tunnel vision, narcissim, and ODD, we should now add your need to project your own faults onto others. Youve been caught in numerous lies, not the other way around silly. Keep that in mind and let me know if you need me to post a few examples on here.  


SHH  posted 3/3/05 6:23 AM    
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Need I remind you that HLA received a 97 on their last kitchen inspection? That includes quality of food in that inspection Robert. And just how many lies have you been caught in? Ive lost count. Because I speak the truth of what I experienced when I was there and I am NOT lying, regardless of what you hope others believe. I cannot speak of what you experienced with your counselors that is true. Nor can I speak of events after 2001. I speak of life on campus in the years I was there. However, you paint this picture of a slave labor camp where children starve to death and no employees in the kitchen or maintenance areas work,and that the facility was filthy and that Robert, is bullshit and you know it. The kids ASSISTED in those duties, nothing more. And the more you call me promiscuous and a child abuser, the less and less credible your STORIES become. Once again Robert, you dont KNOW me, youve never been in my house, ridden in my car, spoken to me, know my children's names, or even know what kind of car I drove back then or what I look like. How old were you when you were at the school Robert? 13? 15? Im curious. A 15 yr old's perspective of "slave labor" is I BET a far cry from a 39 yr old's. In my house my children have chores. I bet you would call them slave labor too huh? LMAO  


Deborah  posted 3/3/05 2:32 PM    
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In regards to an inspection by the HD, it is my understanding that they are concerned with the physical plant and sanitation.
They are not there to determine if:
The meals meet USDA guidelines for calories and variety
If the restriction kids are fed adequately, and/or of food is being used as a form of punishment
If the labor performed by the kids is appropriate, or instead is work that should be performed by paid staff
Those are things the state would monitor were HLA licensed by the state, and if the state were doing their job.
Based on my conversation with the HD, they have no jurisdiction over and do not monitor the meals for quality or quantity- in case that is what you are implying. That is left to the facility, and the HD assumes that the facility is regulated by the state. The only nutritional advice the HD gives is to WIC clients.
What does their last Kitchen inspection score have to do with RB?s comments of how it was when he was there? You have admitted to the fact that some changes have occurred. Why not 100? What violation was found? Or have you seen the actual report?
In terms of chores- It was always important to me that my kids learn to make a contribution to our household. They weren?t paid for chores and chores weren?t used as punishment, which can result in a negative association with an important life skill.
It is quiet different when kids are in residential facilities. A facility under the watch of the state can not require kids to perform regular maintenance, for punishment or otherwise. Kids may not take the place of hired staff.
The state allows for work to be assigned as punishment for behavior, provided it is not excessive or unreasonable. They do not define what constitutes excessive or unreasonable. Who does, the punisher or the recipient?


RobertBruce  posted 3/3/05 8:59 PM    
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>>>>>>Need I remind you that HLA received a 97 on their last kitchen inspection? That includes quality of food in that inspection Robert.
>And just how many lies have you been caught in? Ive lost count.
>Because I speak the truth of what I experienced when I was there and I am NOT lying, regardless of what you hope others believe.
speak of life on campus in the years I was there. However, you paint this picture of a slave labor camp where children starve to death and no employees in the kitchen or maintenance areas work,and that the facility was filthy and that Robert, is bullshit and you know it. The kids ASSISTED in those duties, nothing more.
Keep it up Robert....Youre getting funnier and funnier as you go. , yes I called the HD 2 weeks ago, dont remember who I spoke to, it was a woman, and she said the inspection was 97 and it was done 5 months ago. As far as the sleds, my ex purchased them, there were about 5 or 6 of them, I think they were black in color, plastic tobbogan types, and they were stored in the old workshop building that isnt there anymore. So keep calling me a liar Robert..Ill keep proving you wrong. And SEE I told you you didnt know me! LMAO    

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