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Aging Seedlings on drug policy
Stripe:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-17 18:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why don't you get off your butt and get a job that pays you money ? That way you can buy insurance, decent clothes and live in a decent house and even help your children. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and blaming being in a rehab for every problem you encounter in life. At what point to you take personal responsibility for your own failures?"
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Dude:
I just could not help but respond to you.
Have you completely missed the point?
Tell me, please, where does this notion of failure come from? I didn't see those words anywhere on this thread.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-18 10:56:00, FueLaw wrote:
"What happend to you is clearly wrong. The legal system is far from perfect.
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But this is the norm. Actually, I didn't get screwed quite so badly as I might have. A few weeks after, w/ one leg imobilized and hurting still, I got a call to go pick up a draft for almost $10k. So I did, and went directly to the bank with it. Next day, I get this call from the same clerk or scty or whomever she was. She says they made a mistake, they shouldn't have issued the draft and they'll get in big, big trouble if I don't take the money out of the bank, in cash and rush it over to them.
I may have been born at night, but not last night!
--- Quote --- The law doesn't always work as intended.
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When something I own fails to work this consistently for this long, I generally get rid of it and mark it up to experience. How much longer will it take in this case?
--- Quote ---Hopefully in your case the judge made resitution a part of the sentencing order.
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What sentencing order? Are you joking? The blood sample (drawn by the cop at the scene just to make sure it got done) spoiled. So badly did it spoil, they say, that one could not assess the level of alcohol.
After paying the surgeon (who, oddly, didn't get a slice of the $2k already paid for medical bills) I passed on the weekly therapy and, instead, got some dental work done, a halfway decent family vehicle and a trip to bring my kids to see my dad out in the sticks in WV. We didn't know it then, but next time I saw him he'd be dying and it would be the last time for my kids.
So, you tell me, would that cash of mine have been better spent fighting the good ole' boys? I don't think so.
--- Quote ---In Fla if the driver casued you serious injury he would get some time if he had no insurance and no way to make restitution.
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He had insurance. Which meant that I couldn't, even if I wanted to, sue him. I'd have to go up against his insurance company. How helpful!
--- Quote ---About the people not being able to afford insurance. There is no good answer. Cant let them drive without it. On the other hand they cant afford it. Kind of a "catch 22". Works both ways if they get in accident then they will want and be entitled to compensation. "
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And people in hell want ice water. We're not getting it. Insurance is like Vegas; except for a rare fortunate few, no one ever wins against the house. Who would run an insurance company at a loss? Why would they?
As Jefferson said, "It is error alone that requires the support of goverment. The truth can stand on it's own."
Free commerce, the capitalist system, only works in a free market. The orange growers of Florida (AKA Tropicana/Coca~Cola) would have gone bust a long time ago, in competition w/ Brazil, had it not been for their having friends in high places in the USDOA and FLDOA (coincidence that Florida Prison Corp is heavily invested in groves, processing plants and patented consumer products manufactured by Johnson & Johnson? Ok.) If we let them fall, instead of spending many millions in public funding to prop them up, do you think that land would go fallow and all the grove and factory workers starve? Hell no, people would come up w/ better uses for that land. People are adaptable to changing conditions. Socialist governments are not.
They were making a profit selling a year's worth of car insurance to 16yo boys for somewhere around $100. Now that it's compulsory, the profit margin is not even a consideration. Everyone must buy, therefore the price is artificially high. Cars were cheaper then, of course. Thanks to all of Ralph Nadar's help, cars are now far more expensive to build. Do you really think it's the market squashing production or demand for cheaper, simpler, fuel efficient, fix it your self transportation? Are you nucking futs?
Offer that for sale in this valley and you'll be beatng eager prospective customers off with a stick. I know young men (especially, though girls too) who would gladly give you their left arm for that. It would be life changing. But, according to those kind, benevolent watchers of ours, more dangerous than raising a generation of kids in a world where good, honest working folk can't afford to get to work.
Yes, it is a catch 22. If I hadn't been forced to part with all those insurance premiums over all these years, I might be in a better position to cover any damage I may one day do to anyone. But between the mandated private spending and layer upon layer of taxation (to administer and teak and change and execute all of the help we're getting) we become too impoverished, too restricted to ever get around to anything more than just staying afloat.
I think we've had just about all the help we can stand. I want the Old Deal back, damn it!
To regard Christ as God, and to pray to him, are to my mind the greatest possible sacrilege.
--Leo Tolstoy, Russian revolutionary
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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
Anonymous:
i'll weigh in here..to ginger ::rocker:: to me, there 3guarantees of a free society, and they are 1)well amed 2)well educated and 3) well informed well armed is all that's left, and that not much longer.... i have a question..of course it's a rhetorical question, whaddya expect..is it mere co-incidence that the fbi was instituted to combat the rapid growth of organized crime, which grew from prohibition ? was it mere co-incidence that following repeal, the mann act was passed, and the nation awoke to the unrivalled horrors of marijuana addicts skulking through every alley in every town and that the nations youth were being exposed to jazz musicians,artists, negroes and worse? may i humbly recommend a book? title 'the soveriegn individual" published in 1997.. my opinion, a real earth shaker.. i am a conservative, which means that i find social engineers of the left as loathsome as those on the right. to fuellaw..if the government compels me by force to purchase from private industry, ie: insurance, is it not incumbent upon the government to compel that industry to provide the lowest cost? if my choice is to either participate in a grand fraud or abandon the use of my private property (my car or boat or plane) and suffer economic dis-enfranchisement.. what choice is that?why is the insurance industry exempt from sherman anti-trust? re: medical costs and insurance..if insurance were not in collusion with gov't. and ama/pharmaceutical please tell me why so very many effective, safe and cheap therapies have been suppressed? (and no, that's not exaggeration, i can, if you're interested, supply example after example. benzodiazepam class drugs are an excellent one.. thnk you, one and all i've enjoyed the rant, and i hope i've properly bludgeoned you with fact.
Antigen:
In answer to your question...
--- Quote from: ""H.L. Mencken, 1923"" ---The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
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" there 3guarantees of a free society, and they are 1)well amed 2)well educated and 3) well informed well armed is all that's left, and that not much longer...."
Here lately, I've been giving some dedicated thought to just exactlywhat it would take to attain that state of soverignty in which ya really don't have to give a flyin run at a rollin donut what happens in Timbucktu or Kalamazoo. Armament is only shorthand for what it really takes. So ya got a gun or three in the house. Good. You may need them one day. But do you know how to use it? Where do you get ammo? Have you really given enough thought to if and when you might take out another human, under what circumstances and how many bullets to reserve for provision of meat? And can you grow a garden that will actually feed your family, any guests who may drop in on you and the friend down the way who bet it all on proceeds from his berries last year and is rockin hang dawg as summer turns to fall? Do you have the kind of get along w/ ppl around your area who keep in practice w/ all the necessary arts and craft that make up provision of basic needs and are your good friends of a stripe and character to actually favor the common law of good society over the letter of the official law when the two come into conflict?
For example, it is illegal to employ yeast to produce ethanol for the purpose of fueling a motorized vehicle, unless and until you have met a patently impossible test of bureaucratic aptitude and expense. The common law and the laws of physics are pretty reasonable in this, but the official laws of the land are not. So, if you and your neighbors need fuel and the necessary alterations to your gasoline engines and machines in order to survive or to live well and independently, will yenz actually come to terms with that conflict and take the necessary steps to ensure provision of fuel in time for winter?
That's what I'm talkin about.
Anonymous:
dear ginger, dear heart.. yep, boy howdy you are something , and fierce.. of course arms are only the face of it, but they are very impportant face of it..the largest question is HOW THEN SHALL WE LIVE? WHAT SHALL WE DO?" it seems to me that most people of decent resolve are simply out in the cold, that what i would call ordinary morality and courage, ie; the simple impulse to live quietly and well( i would sure as hell like to have you at my house, whereupon i would make a near perfect manhattan, and a far better than perfect pork roast.. so there! and furthermore ,for the menfolk, i can put an effective round at 250 yards, and i can charm a woman at about 5yards, although, not exactly a sober one.) i don't really know how we shall live, but we must. in what do we believe, finally?+
sean ross
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