Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-15 17:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How does discovering what's really important in YOUR own life become a bad thing? Personal growth seminars have been around for a LONG time and only a small handful of people object. Look at Tony Robbins and how successful he is. There's so many more.
so...if you have issues with change, then they aren't the place for you. Just don't slam those that get a lot from it. It's not your call. "
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The first post described how you absorb information, so your reply is expected as such. Of course we can opine on our experience with certain programs (cults). Instead of attacking us, and bringing up irrelevant facts (look how popular radical islam is, does that justify it?), why don't you post your OWN experience with personal growth seminars and WWASP and let people decide for themselves? :???:
Anonymous:
"so...if you have issues with change, then they aren't the place for you. Just don't slam those that get a lot from it. It's not your call. "
EXACTLY. It wasn't the place for me, but I was locked inside the facility and had to play along to move up in levels and go home. It wasn't my call, and that's exactly what I oppose.
AtomicAnt:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-15 17:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How does discovering what's really important in YOUR own life become a bad thing? Personal growth seminars have been around for a LONG time and only a small handful of people object. Look at Tony Robbins and how successful he is. There's so many more.
so...if you have issues with change, then they aren't the place for you. Just don't slam those that get a lot from it. It's not your call. "
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Okay, so I surfed on over to Tony's site and found:
If you are committed to working toward attaining the life of your dreams, one that binds achievement and fulfillment into one powerful force, you can trust that we are committed to providing you with all the tools necessary to help get you there.
The site is filled with corny cliche's. Tony Robbins is just one more scam artist cashing in on naive peoples' hope for a magic pill that will make them successful and happy. I am old enough to have seen many of these fads come and go in the corporate world. The only one really becoming successful is Tony himself.
Nihilanthic:
I dont have issues with change. I like changing for the better, but not for the sake of change.
My problem? Changing becuase someone arbitrarily says to, and that you have no choice in it, and that their methods are abusive.
Nice try with the double bind buddy. But, no banana.
We are a one party country. Half of them call themselves Democrats and the other half call themselves Republicans. All the good ideas come from the Libertarians.
--Hugh Downs
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BuzzKill:
First - to the anon who began this thread - great job spelling out the problem. It's one of the best posts on the subject I've read.
Niles - Agreeing with you - Change can be good if its for the better, as you say; But change for changes sake can be a sign of unhappy and unstable personalities; and some change can certainly be for the worse!
I used to argue this point on the BBS - I was happy with my life and with my relationships and so on - change in this case would not be good. Nor was I willing to accept my son's drug problem was my fault, and that this was proof my husband and I needed to change. *We* weren't the ones strung out.
Yes, I concede some family counseling could and would be helpful - but this strong stress on "change" - and the overwhelming criticism and condemnation of anyone who wasn't wiling to admit they were in need of "change", and would work hard to "change" - that I do and did object to.
Improving communication, empathy, and so on, in a family's dynamics, need not be a coarse in how inadequate and generally awful one is as a person (this need for "change")and that was largely what got me thinking the seminaires were not something I wanted any part of.
The argument was basically - If I am happy with my life, why is there this great need for Change?
Them: You wouldn't be here if you didn't need changing. And, if you will not admit you need to change - it just proves how badly you need to change.
Well, they had a point - but I didn't take it the way they intended. My son and I had no business being there.
I have no objection to admitting some "things" need to change - but this business of changing who people are - how they think - Thats bothers me very much. That is cultic mind control.
And Atomic Ant - I agree with you as well. You are absolutly right.
*[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2005-12-16 09:21 ]
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