Cowards!

[Lars]

On 2005-12-06 18:45:00, Lars wrote:

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I dont think you hurt LARS feelings, he has been called worse.  

Someone called me worse here? :razz:



You agree, though, this board should be kept civil, right?  Seriously, Ed's not a bad guy.  I just want him to understand what folks are talking about here, that's it's not an insult-fest."
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[Ed Davis]

Thanks for owning up to who you are Larry! I can respect you and what you have to say. For the anonymous posters though, I don't have any respect for them. Larry I do see what's going on. Here is a group of people with a chip on their shoulder and nothing better to do with their time!

[TheWho]

He probably isnt a bad guy and it is always good to have input from both sides (kind of adds credability to the discussions).  But I suspect if he cant provoke someone or control the situation he will move on.

[TheWho]

On 2005-12-06 18:50:00, Ed Davis wrote:

"Thanks for owning up to who you are Larry! I can respect you and what you have to say. For the anonymous posters though, I don't have any respect for them. Larry I do see what's going on. Here is a group of people with a chip on their shoulder and nothing better to do with their time!"

Ed, most of the people (anons or not) are not here to get respect and even if they were here for that reason not getting it from you or another person isnt going to make that big of a difference.  Your right, time management isnt a big deal, either, for most of us.  Why does that bother you so much?  You are here.  If you really had courage you would defend your position on Hyde and join the discussion in spite of your fear of Anons.  What do you have to lose?  You may help some wayward teen in the process or enlighten a parent or two.  Give it a try,Ed, contribute, dont sit on the sidelines throwing stones.

[Ed Davis]

I've apparently provoked a few people and I'm not here to control anything or anyone. It seems to me that YOU are trying to control people's views of Hyde School, because of your own experiences. You are right about me moving on though. I will not sit around and waste my time replying to anonymous posts. I have a life! C ya!

[Lars]

On 2005-12-06 18:50:00, Ed Davis wrote:

"Thanks for owning up to who you are Larry! I can respect you and what you have to say. For the anonymous posters though, I don't have any respect for them. Larry I do see what's going on. Here is a group of people with a chip on their shoulder and nothing better to do with their time!"

No, Ed.  I think it's more than a chip on the shoulder for a lot of people.  It's genuine anger at the abusive, arrogant & manipulative way that Hyde treated us and our families.   Many people here feel the same way.  I understand that the folks at Hyde and some of the people who went there believe in their system.  But you can't dismiss those who don't agree as simply having a chip on their shoulder.  Also, you have to understand that the folks posting here really aren't concerned with whether you or any one at Hyde respects them.  Like I said, have a look at my posts.  If you think I'm off base, feel free to say why.  

Peace.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-06 19:10:00, Ed Davis wrote:

"I've apparently provoked a few people and I'm not here to control anything or anyone. It seems to me that YOU are trying to control people's views of Hyde School, because of your own experiences. You are right about me moving on though. I will not sit around and waste my time replying to anonymous posts. I have a life! C ya!"

I have to say that of the hundreds of postings on this website, yours come across as just about the most petulant and least mature of all of them.  I realize this may not concern you, but I think this reflects very poorly on Hyde.  If your offensive language and tone are typical of Hyde graduates, that's a pretty sad commentary.  

If my math is accurate (you graduated in 1990?), you are probably about 33 years old.  It makes me sad that someone who is in his mid 30's and is a Hyde graduate would communicate the way that you do.  Your communication style seems remarkably similar to what I've observed at Hyde many times, especially in some seminars.  This, of course, provides even more damaging information for any parent who is considering enrolling their child at Hyde.  Parents, is this the kind behavior you hope your child will engage in fifteen years after graduating from Hyde?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-06 19:10:00, Ed Davis wrote:

"I've apparently provoked a few people and I'm not here to control anything or anyone. It seems to me that YOU are trying to control people's views of Hyde School, because of your own experiences. You are right about me moving on though. I will not sit around and waste my time replying to anonymous posts. I have a life! C ya!"

Wow, I am amazed at this guy Ed, but not totally surprised given the type of people who defend Hyde.  Yes, some people are anonymous, but maybe they have their reasons, none of which need to be explained.  Hyde mimics the 12 step programs and meetings where no one divulges their full names!   This is the same reason why some might not be divulging their names here.  This is a safe place where people express their experiences both good and bad.

If you are an example of a Hyde graduate Ed, all that I have to say is that you are validating what is posted on this board about the school.  No one here has hurled insults like you have.  We have a mature, intelligent rap going and if you want to continue to act out, then you are the one sir who looks like the fool! If you disagree on what is said about Hyde, then say so, but do it respectfully like the rest of us.

[TheWho]

I thought he would run.  My daughter had a friend who would adamantly defend a group of friends that were obviously bad news and would slam anyone who said anything bad about them.  But if you asked her what traits or good things that she could say about her friends she would get angry and leave the room say something like "You guys are morons"
I saw some of that in Ed, he wanted to believe that Hyde was good because he vested so much time there and it was part of who he was and is.  If he admits that Hyde wasnt that great it would reflect poorly on himself.  If you held his feet to the fire and asked him to share his positive experiences he would come up empty, he knew that and that is why he ran.  Similar to my daughters friend Sally.

[Ed Davis]

I didn't run. Nor will I ever. I stand behind Hyde and all of those individuals who have dedicated their lives to helping your children. How can you be upset with a group of people that are helping your kid to value, courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern. If you don't value those five words and believe them to be a good foundation for which to try and live your life then Hyde is probably not the place for you. I'm sure some of you did have bad experiences, but i ask, was it the principles that you had a bad experience with or was it an off-base individual and if that person was off-base why would it bother you? Just like my calling anonymous posters cowards, if you post anonymously and my comments ticked you off then apparently the shoe fit, otherwise you would have moved on.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-07 05:06:00, Ed Davis wrote:

"I didn't run. Nor will I ever. I stand behind Hyde and all of those individuals who have dedicated their lives to helping your children. How can you be upset with a group of people that are helping your kid to value, courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern. If you don't value those five words and believe them to be a good foundation for which to try and live your life then Hyde is probably not the place for you. I'm sure some of you did have bad experiences, but i ask, was it the principles that you had a bad experience with or was it an off-base individual and if that person was off-base why would it bother you? Just like my calling anonymous posters cowards, if you post anonymously and my comments ticked you off then apparently the shoe fit, otherwise you would have moved on. "

The Hyde principles you cite (courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern) are fine concepts indeed.  I embrace them wholeheartedly.  The basic problem that many of us have is with Hyde's implementation of these principles.  You seem to have had a good experience.  Many of us are not having a good experience; some of us are witnessing grossly negligent practices at Hyde and a great deal of hypocrisy.  If you take the time to read this board's postings, you'll see lots of instances where Hyde staff violated every single one of these principles, and sometimes in ways that are cruel, unconscionable, and very damaging.   Disagree if you like; many of us have documentation to prove that the incidents occurred.

Parents who are considering Hyde should know that Mr. Davis's reply is standard Hyde-speak.  He is using language and terminology that is pervasive at Hyde.  People either buy in or walk away (or suffer in silence until they're out of Hyde).

As an aside to Mr. Davis, I thought you said you were no longer going to visit this site and that you were moving on.  Was that not the truth?

[Troll Control]

On 2005-12-07 05:06:00, Ed Davis wrote:

"I didn't run. Nor will I ever. I stand behind Hyde and all of those individuals who have dedicated their lives to helping your children. How can you be upset with a group of people that are helping your kid to value, courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern. If you don't value those five words and believe them to be a good foundation for which to try and live your life then Hyde is probably not the place for you. I'm sure some of you did have bad experiences, but i ask, was it the principles that you had a bad experience with or was it an off-base individual and if that person was off-base why would it bother you? Just like my calling anonymous posters cowards, if you post anonymously and my comments ticked you off then apparently the shoe fit, otherwise you would have moved on. "

::soapbox::

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-06 22:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"On 2005-12-06 21:28:00, Lars wrote:

"Wow, the place really hasn't changed much since I went there. I won't tell you not to go if you really feel you need to support your family, but I can assure you it's not a getting to know each other thing with fun activities. I call Hyde the "no fun zone." Read the threads on this board very carefully. There was nothing I hated more than family weekends when I there.  

Expect to get sucked into the drama. My advice (besides avoiding the place)? Stand your ground. Don't let any obnoxious, know it all jerks push you around."
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Saw this board for the first time. I would just like to echo Larry's, (Lars) sentiments. I was one of those parents who was sucked into the drama of the moment, which thankfully I transended as the months went by and realized the hypocrisy and dishonesty that permeated the entire hierarchy of Hyde School.

The Ed's of the world can B.S. all they want, but the truth is Hyde is nothing but a Cult and unfortunately a dumping ground for children whose parents are desperate to find an answer for their various problems.

And for Ed's reference or anyone else my name is Steve Feig.

[TheWho]

On 2005-12-07 05:06:00, Ed Davis wrote:

"I didn't run. Nor will I ever. I stand behind Hyde and all of those individuals who have dedicated their lives to helping your children. How can you be upset with a group of people that are helping your kid to value, courage, integrity, leadership, curiosity, and concern. If you don't value those five words and believe them to be a good foundation for which to try and live your life then Hyde is probably not the place for you. I'm sure some of you did have bad experiences, but i ask, was it the principles that you had a bad experience with or was it an off-base individual and if that person was off-base why would it bother you? Just like my calling anonymous posters cowards, if you post anonymously and my comments ticked you off then apparently the shoe fit, otherwise you would have moved on. "

Thanks for not running and deciding to stay and contribute.  Its good to have a balanced discussion.  As for your adversity towards Anons, we understand, there are worse ways for you to let off steam and dump your anger.

[Anonymous]

Ed, lets not be so defensive. ok?