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My son is currently at Aspen Ranch
Anonymous:
You guys are a riot. someone posts a real experience and all you do is ridicule and insult, yet you have nothing to say regarding personal experience.
I stay at the Chuckwagon in Torrey or the Snuggle Inn in Loa. The Snuggle Inn has a computer in the lobby and a wireless network-there are a couple of kid's bikes and a scooter in the driveway; the Chuckwagon also has wireless, and free coffee for guests in the gift shop/bakery. The Ranch had frosted cinnamon rolls at breakfast last Sunday. If you walk into the Loa Texaco station, the racks of snacks are directly in front of you and the coffee to the left, around the main counter. By the way, it snowed a bit on Friday midday on the drive from Salt Lake City to Loa - down 15 to 50, down main St. in Aurora and on to highway 24.
Drove to Cedar City on Saturday - they were having a parade and the main drag was blocked off.
that'll have to do for now.
Now - what can you BS-claimers tell ME to prove that you have any clue about the ranch, the town....or anything else?
I'm offering real advice and a contact - what about you?
Covergaard:
Even if there is no wall at the ranch, she can not leave the ranch of her own free will and that defines the place as a kind of prison.
A prison is a place where people which have broken the law are ordered to stay by the courtsystem.
I just totally lack understanding of why anyone wants to imprison once own child.
We only do have very few boarding schools in Denmark and none of them are treatment centres. Those we have are for people which have acknowledged their own limitations as parents. They have informed the local athorities of their lack or the athorities has intervened in their own, so the placement on a boarding school is done under supervision of the athorities, so no child is lost in the proces.
As a parent I know that the world in dangerous. Some parents teach their child of dangers, others tries to remove them. They are in Denmark called curling parents, because the sweap dangers away in front of the child like it is done in front the stone in curling.
Those children are at risk when they grow up and the parents are no longer present. Locking a child up is actually the most extreme a curling parent can do. I don't question your love for your child, but I fear the day when she is adult and can leave your home for good.
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---You guys are a riot. someone posts a real experience and all you do is ridicule and insult, yet you have nothing to say regarding personal experience.
I stay at the Chuckwagon in Torrey or the Snuggle Inn in Loa. The Snuggle Inn has a computer in the lobby and a wireless network-there are a couple of kid's bikes and a scooter in the driveway; the Chuckwagon also has wireless, and free coffee for guests in the gift shop/bakery. The Ranch had frosted cinnamon rolls at breakfast last Sunday. If you walk into the Loa Texaco station, the racks of snacks are directly in front of you and the coffee to the left, around the main counter. By the way, it snowed a bit on Friday midday on the drive from Salt Lake City to Loa - down 15 to 50, down main St. in Aurora and on to highway 24.
Drove to Cedar City on Saturday - they were having a parade and the main drag was blocked off.
that'll have to do for now.
Now - what can you BS-claimers tell ME to prove that you have any clue about the ranch, the town....or anything else?
I'm offering real advice and a contact - what about you?
--- End quote ---
That's got nothing to do with the whole "isolation/brainwashing" part of the program or the "they cant leave" part of the program, aka the abusive non-consentual parts we care about?
Wow, you know the area. Congrats. Many people never bother to see where their children are located!
Deborah:
--- Quote ---As a parent I know that the world in dangerous. Some parents teach their child of dangers, others tries to remove them. They are in Denmark called curling parents, because the sweap dangers away in front of the child like it is done in front the stone in curling.
--- End quote ---
:rofl: Love that analogy!!
Lots of curlers in America. Beginning from birth, and to the point that it interferes with the child physical, social, and emotional development.
Repairing the damage these parents, unawarely, cause is good for segments of the economy- medical, mental health, pharmaceutical, rehabs, teen warehouses, and/or eventually prisons; originally called penitentiaries- designed to inspire penitence in the hearts of convicts.
Just heard a fascinating expose on NPR about the first penitentiary- Eastern State, which is now a Museum!!
http://www.easternstate.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_State_Penitentiary
The Penitentiary was intended not simply to punish, but to move the criminal toward spiritual reflection and change. The method was a Quaker-inspired system of isolation from other prisoners, with labor. The early system was strict. To prevent distraction, knowledge of the building, and even mild interaction with guards, inmates were hooded whenever they were outside their cells.
Eastern State was viewed as a progressive reform (Enlightenment Era)in that it eliminated many of the excesses of physical punishment in colonial America. Despite this, it was widely believed (then and now) to have caused significant mental illness among its prisoners due to its solitary confinement.
Anonymous:
Curling? Donuts?
You people are fools.
It's not a matter of "locking up" kids. It's a matter of them getting well.
Our daughter knew she was in a bad situation, and left home because she didn't want to burden us. She also sees this whole thing as a chance to survive and thrive - without it she would have been dead. Like many others, she's there because of problems related to non-familial abuse. In her case, an abdction and things I'd rather not think about. It's wiped her out mentally. She's in a solid therapeutic environment, has new goals....and I don't know where any of you get the "locked up" idea from, because they soon rise in levels and are alllowed extended time off-campus, much of it relatively unsupervised - because they have grown and earned it.
But to return to the important point...without the Ranch she'd be dead. She knows this and is thankful for it. She's not there as punishment.
You idiots have NO idea what you are even talking about - your criticizing a place and a program you are unfamiliar with, simply because you make incorrect assumptions. I thought initially this was a semi-support forum. Now I see what it is - a haven for people who know nothing and rabble rousers, plus people from foreign countries who know even LESS. Curling? Oh, please - spare me.
And BTW - I'm a guy, not "ma'am".
This is a simple case of you all taking the stance "my mind is made up - don't confuse me with the facts".
My daughter was horribly abused and traumatized, and is now recovering and growing. I guess you all would just prefer she had died. None of your logic works, you use BS meters in place of discussion, you've never been there - I can't believe how uncaring you all are - because you have NO idea of any of the REAL situations involved.
Goodbye.
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