Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
My son is currently at Aspen Ranch
Whooter:
--- Quote ---Sorta like visiting a holocaust victim forum and posting he was served ice cream at Auschwitz using an exaggerated European ex-pat syntax style.
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Thats funny!!! I never thought of it that way. There is another guest poster who posts alot here. He is easy to spot and tilts his hand when he uses the words "Gulag", "Torture", "Concentration Camp", "Prison", kidnapping" in his post. These are his favorite words. Anytime you see these words you know it is the same guy posting over and over again.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I am the parent of a boy who spent a year in treatment was was out for less then 30 days before he got busted for possession at school -- ask me how good I am feeling 100K later.....
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Another Aspen 'success story.' Readers should be aware that there is only one single person here advocating Aspen, the poster known as TheWho, aka John Reuben. He posts lots of ficticious 'positive survivor stories' (but since he knows nothing of the program, he gets all the details wrong) as well as ficticious 'happy parent' stories.
The story quoted above is succinct and deadly accurate in describing most people's experience with Aspen. John Reuben, the 'pro-post' troll in this thread had a similar experience with Aspen, only insted of getting arrested, his son OD'ed and died. John still relentlessly plugs Aspen, however, as he sees financial gain from enrollment and retention at Aspen (he runs an Aspen feeder program called 'Saving Teens In Crisis' that gets kickbacks for its referrals).
Just be aware that, for this troll, a few extra duckets in his pocket is more important than kids' lives being ruined by being arrested for drugs post-program (i.e. they wern't helped) or kids dying in the program or from ODs after the program like his own son. It's ALL about the money for this troll and Aspen, regardless of the consequences to children.
Just ask him to provide a clinical study that shows kids are helped by Aspen. DEMAND it from him and don't let him off the hook until he provides evidence to support his claims. You will see him squirm, wiggle, divert and eventually change the topic without ever supporting his position.
Aspen programs are not evidence based in any way, shape or form.
Whooter:
Well, Bottom line is that 99% of all the kids that finish the program do extremely well. But dont take the word of someone on line in a forum someplace. Call the specific programs and schools and ask to speak with some parents who had kids complete the program. Of course they will give you names of the kids who were successful but you will be able to ask questions to someone who went thru it just like you may be and calm some of your fears.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Well, Bottom line is that 99% of all the kids that finish the program do extremely well. But dont take the word of someone on line in a forum someplace. Call the specific programs and schools and ask to speak with some parents who had kids complete the program. Of course they will give you names of the kids who were successful but you will be able to ask questions to someone who went thru it just like you may be and calm some of your fears.
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Bottom line is that you're full of shit. Don't take my word for it, just post the study that proves you right. We already know that 99% of enrolled kids don't even STAY ALIVE after the program, so how you spin that as doing 'extremely well' is beyond reason.
Show the study proving Aspen works, or just shut up. You make yourself look even dumber than you are, which is nearly impossible, but you've pulled it off, Whooter.
Whooter:
--- Quote ---We already know that 99% of enrolled kids don't even STAY ALIVE after the program
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Okay, I'll bite. Show us the clinical peer reviewed study which backs up your statement.
Ouch, kind of hurts when its on the other foot doesnt it?
So while you are looking for that study the rest of us will get some real time information by talking to parents who have had kids finish the program. This allows parents to ask questions and calm their fears about TBS's.
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