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CCM girl 1989 · « **Reply #1290 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:56:00 PM »

I totally support Alex and Ashley.

Ashley's Mom · « **Reply #1291 on:** May 04, 2006, 09:50:00 AM »

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On 2006-05-03 16:58:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

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I'm sorry, I try to steer clear of arguements on this site, and if what I say starts one then, oh well.

You started one with this forum and the childish demented lie about Alex trying to jump over a bridge to be able to talk to you. Then your mother makes something up about you dreaming about it. OMG even my 3 year old could have come up with something better then that. This from an ADULT see not all ADULTS are the smartest people. At some point in time don't you think you should just admit when you have lied. Oh I see it is ok for you but not anybody else. It is ok for you to put shit about his family all over the net but if something is said to you then you are owed an apology ::puke:: ask Alex about that he will know and you probably know what I am talking about.

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I will tell you right now, I had my mother fooled for probably a whole 6 months. Now, how long did Alex have his parents and family, including you, fooled? I seem to remember the word YEARS in the time frame somewhere...

Please Ashley I am not that easy. This is the last you will hear from me on this site. 6 months is all you will admit to because that is what you had to fess up to because of getting caught. We all make mistakes remember first part is admitting them. Not only the portion you wont.

If I didn't tell your mother she would have not known unless Alex told her how horrible would that have been for him. Nice girlfriend you are. I am sure you would have told her so he didn't have to. Easy to say now. Now I wish I didn't.

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And don't say that I'm bashing Alex or his family, or anyone for that matter. I just happen to be stating a fact. I'm quite tired of you trying to make it out like we brainwash Alex into everything he says or does. Remember, he is almost an ADULT. Free to make his own choices. I don't understand how none of you can accept that."

The Fact... why? because you say they are. Whatever you say. Your getting tired? It isn't all about you Ashley look around there are more people involved. So when Alex is an ADULT is he moving out? You act like when he turns 18 it is going to be some big deal or something like all of a sudden he will have a great job a house make enough money to marry you and start a ADULT life. It doesn't quit work that way dear. He could do everything he is doing there at his parents house also where he should be. By the

way he is doing it. HIM not you. I am proud of HIM. What ever decision he makes I owe HIM accountable for even if HE chooses to take his advise from YOU. He is his own person.

[ This Message was edited by: CaughtInTheMiddle on 2006-05-03 17:05 ]"

Pam,

This is just getting completely out of control all over again! Alex has been home for two months now, and I think it is time for all the of this to come to an end. He is doing good for himself, if you don't want to give us any credit for that, so be it. We are just trying to help Alex along so he can become independent as a young adult. Maybe he would have done just as well at home, but he chose where he wanted to be. I didn't "lie" about Ashley dreaming up the bridge incident, I was just trying to make some sense of the "story" since she woke up telling me this at 5:00am. Did she make it up? I don't know, but I believed her since he was not emotionally stable for some time.

The forum was started to get some advice/feedback after reading up on the "program" he was sent to. It was not started to insult or start a war between the families.

We don't know where this will go in the future. All we know right now is Alex wants to better himself, get his diploma, have a decent job, and have his own place. These are some pretty solid goals for a young adult, and I believe he will accomplish them, with or without his families support.

I am done arguing with you. This is not going to help the situation at all. All of this is very unhealthy for both Alex and Ashley. Good day!

Leslie

Anonymous · « **Reply #1292 on:** May 04, 2006, 02:51:00 PM »

First off I want to say that this is the end, no more. This has been going on for too long now with no end in sight.

I've been avoiding looking at/posting on this sight for two months out of fear of what i might find. No,i have not read all of it and I dont think i ever will.

No,i most certainly would not have been happy just sitting at SCL, and i nearly peed my pants when i was told i was coming home. So to all those that did send letters i can't expess enough thanks in this little box.

This site was started to help get information about the facility i was at. Information that probably would have been useful before my getting sent there. It didn't end there as you all know.The "school" monitors this webite quite closely, of course and from there my parents were informed about it and so on. It really is a shame that it turned out to be a battlefield more as opposed to a source of information. If only more parents discovered ths site before sending their children there maybe it wouldn't occur as often as it does. There are too many kids there that really don't deserve to be isolated from society. One of them was Nick Thomas. The boy who froze to death with his mother in those goddamn mountains. From everything i heard from him and others a SCL he most certainly was not an "outofcontrol teen". That makes three lifes taken by that place i you count the suicide last year.

but thats all. Like i said this is the end. Thank you to EVERYBODY for caring about me, but I won't let this go on any longer. Aunt Pam if you feel so strongly about something and I want you to vent call me or call my mom, but all you do when you post is cause destruction and i won't let it go on any longer.

Love , Alex.

StepLeft · « **Reply #1293 on:** May 04, 2006, 07:58:00 PM »

Happy to see you are out and doing well Alex.

I have been reading this site from the beginning.
I understand why a lot of people here are on Ashley and Leslie's side. With them being on our side saving Alex someone that was where we were years ago. What we would have loved to happen to us. I have spent years in therapy. I have learned I believe a lot here and there. My parents went through a lot of emotions and therapy also. They were never sure with any choice they made in my life was the right choice with me or any of us kids was right or not. In some ways they wish they never would have sent me and in some I think they still believe it is what they had to do at the time. I am ok with that now. We all agree now that place should be there but these place need to be closed and schools should be regulated and these seminars should be changed to focus more on self help. I did need a wake up call. For sure. But these parents that put these 12 year olds and kids that sit there for years I am not getting started.. I was luckier then a lot of you. I was only there a short time. It is easy for us to say don't send your kid there we have been there. Sounds like His parents are trying I believe Ashley or her mom said they are going to Therapy with Alex. There is a lot we don't see that goes on behind the seen's we forget about. We should try to be far. Good luck to all
God Bless

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Unfortunately the bridge incident is true. He told us himself, and so did the escort. The vadalism was quite obviously someone else considering Ashley worked that night and then was home with her mother and father all night. Granted the dealer worked with Ashley, but Alex met him all on his own.

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I have a question. Did you actually speak with the escort service or did you hear this from your daughter?"

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Yes, his name was Russ, from 2nd Chance Transport Service.

Anonymous · « **Reply #1294 on:** July 30, 2006, 06:34:06 PM »

Is that Russel Vulles, the fat know it all fucker who thinks he's so intelligent?? That's Krista "the bitch" Vulles, family rep at SCL's brother, right?

Shlee · « **Reply #1295 on:** September 05, 2006, 11:30:05 AM »

Alex's first day of his last quarter of night school is tonight. Only a 1/2 credit to go. I think I'm more excited than he is... haha! He graduates in November. Yay!
~Shlee

CCM girl 1989 · « **Reply #1296 on:** September 05, 2006, 12:35:52 PM »

That's excellent! Tell him hello from me.

Anonymous · « **Reply #1297 on:** September 05, 2006, 05:11:36 PM »

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Be very concerned for his safety and well being. A student succesfully committed suicide there by hanging herself. If he is suicidal, he belongs in a psychiatric setting, not a 'behavior modification' camp.

Because he is 17 1/2, he can wait out his time until he turns 18, which he will most likely do. He is at a lower risk of brainwashing than the younger students, because he has a 'hope' to look forward to due to his age. He will not receive any help at SCL, only discipline, humiliation, and quite possibly physical and emotional abuse. He sounds like the type that might spend time up in the hobbit, and in worksheets, for not complying with the program.

When he turns 18 and wishes to leave the program is when you can REALLY help. The program (via his parents) will offer an exit plan ranging from nothing but the clothes on his back, to possibly some cash and a ride to the closest town. Either way, this is when you can really help him. Otherwise, he will be pressured by scare tactics to stay in the 18 year old program. It is scary to face walking down the street into homelessness at 18!

Somehow, I want you to get letters into him. This will only usually happen if his parents allow this. The best way is to slip in your letters with their letters, because they write a code on the letter or something, or put a sticker on it, I'm not positive. In that letter instruct him to keep quiet about you helping him after he leaves to prevent any actions against you. Give him your phone number and tell him you will wait for his call on his 18th birthday, and you will wire him money and a train ticket, etc. This will give him immense hope, and he will certainly feel better about the future. This is one idea at least. At the very least, it might keep him from hurting himself or running.

You say he escaped his transport, went up on a bridge and threatened suicide, so he should have been placed under a 72 hour watch at a psychiatric facility. Not shipped to a private teen prison with the occasional large group brainwash session to boot. It's crazy his parents believe this place is the best for him... utterly insane.

It reminds me very much of my own situation. Unfortunately, he is in for a shitty experience, especially because he sounds like the type which will reject the program's flawed ideology. At least he will remain 'himself', but he will get some major shit for 'not working the program' and such. He can just wait his time out, but the damage done to him, his family, and everyone who knew him will already be done. This is a fucked up situation for all involved... accept WWASP, they are making out just fine.

Good luck.

Anonymous · « **Reply #1298 on:** September 19, 2006, 05:24:28 PM »

wow fuck spring creek lodge i was there for nine months three years ago, i feel bad for any kid that gets sent there,stop being such pussy parents and deal with your kids, i still havnt forgiven my parents for sending me there

Anonymous · « **Reply #1299 on:** September 19, 2006, 05:33:25 PM »

Kids don't deserve no goddamn rights, cuz they ain't no better than a bunch of fuckin NIGGERS! If mine ever try to "assert their rights" I'm gonna drag 'em out to the woodshed and tear up their uppity little asses!

MightyAardvark · « **Reply #1300 on:** September 20, 2006, 04:44:54 AM »

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Covergaard · « **Reply #1301 on:** September 21, 2006, 04:18:48 AM »

Dear Alex

Happy to see that you are and in a condition so you can write, which as I understand is a luxury not all survivors can enjoy.

Feel free to inform us if you like what the outcome of the case that started it all, fell out to.

Did the court recognize that you had done some harsh prison time although the correction institution was not approved by the state and did they give you credit for the time served or did they just ignore your torments and imposed a sentence as nothing was happened?

I hope the best for you in the future.

Anonymous · « **Reply #1302 on:** September 29, 2006, 07:12:57 PM »

What kind of fucked up parents would send their kids to any school like SCL? You parents created the problem, you deal with it. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

Anonymous · « **Reply #1303 on:** September 29, 2006, 07:51:48 PM »

Why the hell not?? Kids don't deserve no goddamn rights, cuz they ain't no better than a bunch of fuckin NIGGERS! If mine ever try to "assert their rights" I'm gonna drag 'em out to the woodshed and tear up their uppity little asses!

Anonymous · « **Reply #1304 on:** September 30, 2006, 05:29:34 PM »

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Why the hell not?? Kids don't deserve no goddamn rights, cuz they ain't no better than a bunch of fuckin NIGGERS! If mine ever try to "assert their rights" I'm gonna drag 'em out to the woodshed and tear up their uppity little asses!

What is it with you and "niggers"? Ya got some kind of a complex, dumb ass? You sound like a half-witted fool.

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