Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Memories rushing back ... of Paradise Cove, Samoa.
trnsz:
--- Quote ---Travis is doing great and looks back upon Samoa as an asset to his current life.
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Well, I'm glad it helped him, and I'm glad he's doing fine. I'm sure he knows who I am, and he was a fantastic friend to me. I just wanted him to know that. I'm truly glad he was able to benefit, and I feel so much better knowing he's well.
That really helps to close a chapter of my life.
--- Quote ---South Florida has an attorney and engineer that were in Samoa in 1996 with Chriss and they both look back with thanks. AMAZING, huh????
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I don't see the need for the attitude. It's not amazing at all. I'm also an engineer (by education at least) and was working very successfully as a Unix systems administrator before my car accident. Just don't try to make me a PC/WWASP success story.
--- Quote ---They have gone on with their lives in a purposeful manner while you all live here day and night dredging up the past and stupid allegations. May be, you need to get on with your lives.
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You can feel free to think whatever you want, but you have no right to call me or my thoughts stupid, and I don't think I made any "allegations" in these posts. I was never beaten, raped, or physically abused. Most of the staff that I encountered seemed to be doing what they believed was in our best interest! I know that's all my parents were doing.
I just view all programs of this type, especially with those lame seminars as mental abuse. I'm sure others here might as well.
There were good and bad times there for sure, but looking back to it, I don't see that I had any benefit from it, and it's torn apart my family. I'm much further from them now than I ever was before.
YES! Some people need intervention, and need to be taken out of their environment to get their life straight. I just hope that for kids that are sent to similar programs today, that they are respected and nurtured, and that their treatment is consistent. I don't honestly feel that every child sent to PC receive such. I don't believe that everyone was hurt, not by a long shot, but this kind of treatment isn't right for everyone, and those who run these programs aren't qualified to know! That's my biggest concern.
``PC was closed because U.S. Charge d?Affaires James A. Derrick said that the allegations ?were very serious and were coherent, credible and consistent."`` Argue that with Mr. Derrick, not with me, since I didn't have those experiences.
As for dredging up the past, I feel that the sudden removal from my environment to PC was the hardest thing. Even harder was suddenly leaving all those friends there behind and not knowing what happened to any of them! These abrupt changes disturbed me more than anything I experienced in the program.
Friendships can be very strong, and even more so in a program, and it's very hard to "move on" when you have no idea what happened to your old friends. I want to know. I haven't spoken to anyone about the program for years, but when I found this forum, this sadness creeps up. Nobody should be yanked away those they care about.
Again, I'm very happy that Travis is doing well, and he was able to see his time as a positive experience. Just knowing that helps me look back without animosity.
Tell Travis I'm glad he's OK. Seeing that posted here means the world to me. He'll know who I am. Whatever you think of me now, keep in mind we are all adults, and if I knew what happened to the others in my "family" I wouldn't have these loose ends.
Thanks.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-28 17:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
Travis is doing great and looks back upon Samoa as an asset to his current life.
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Or at least that's what he tells you. So very often, the parents go on believing for years and decades after the kids get it all figured out.
Fresh beauty opens one's eyes wherever it is really seen, but the very abundance and completeness of the common beauty that besets our steps prevents its being absorbed and appreciated. It is a good thing, therefore, to make short excursions now and then to the bottom of the sea among dulse and coral, or up among the clouds on mountain-tops, or in balloons, or even to creep like worms into dark holes and caverns underground, not only to learn something of what is going on in those out-of-the-way places, but to see better what the sun sees on our return to common everyday beauty.
-- John Muir
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-28 17:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"if only WHAT? The reason WWASP and other programs continue to be around is obvioulsy after numerous investigations, law suits and allegations, they are found to be legit.
If you don't want to remember Samoa, throw away the lava lava.
Travis is doing great and looks back upon Samoa as an asset to his current life.
South Florida has an attorney and engineer that were in Samoa in 1996 with Chriss and they both look back with thanks. AMAZING, huh???? They have gone on with their lives in a purposeful manner while you all live here day and night dredging up the past and stupid allegations. May be, you need to get on with your lives."
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Would those happen to be Greg Pretzfield? Cuz I was there with him he was douchebag. He drank liquid deodorant and was always getting consequences. Then once his mom became an affiliate of the program he was advanced through the levels with neckbreak speed and then went home. It was more of a political favor. Anyone that was there with him during that era will more than likely agree with me. I'm sure Greg is doing fine now though it's called GROWING UP!!! Something the program can hardly take credit for,If you send a growing teen away to a facility for a couple of years I'm sure they are going to come back more mature. (pssst that's cuz a couple of years have passed.)
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-28 17:37:00, trnsz wrote:
Is there anything we could do to help? I see all these posts of suicides, murders, etc. Is any testimony needed anywhere? I'll tell the truth about that place, the good and the bad. Not every moment was horrible.
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Well, none that I know of now. Though I guess you could contact the lawyer who's defending that kid on murder/attmt murder charges.
Hey, write all ya' want. It's my personal opinion that just that, getting the whole story out there is more helpful than anything else.
Of course not every moment was a horror. You do make your own fun. And I'm convinced that most of the people involved in this industry believe, just as faithfully as leechers used to, that what they're doing is helpful, if painful. I just believe they're wrong, that's all. LOL!
But I find it very interesting and very helpful to hear about the differences between various programs. You can take those differences off the table, see what's left and gain a better understanding of how it all works.
My family is divided too. Of course we weren't perfect beforehand. But 12 years involvement w/ one of these programs certainly didn't help and I think it did a lot of harm. My aim in hosting these forums is to encourage dialog and understanding about how all that works.
Word of unsolicited advice, though. If you can find it in your heart to build some sort of relationship w/ your family again, do it. I really don't regret the years of toughlove I missed from my mom. But if I had it to do over again, I would have sucked it up just a bit so that my kids could grow up knowing their cousins.
The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language.
-- D. E. Knuth, 1967
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Anonymous:
His name was Lafi Onesemo. He was a part owner of the program as he took care of their need for a Samoan Citizen involved for legal reasons.
And I seriously doubt that the person who said Travis is doing fine even knows the kid. They are probably an irate confused wwaspie tying to stir things up.
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