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Former students - Our worst experiences
Lars:
"Other Hyde students and parents we've encountered repeat this list and add one other major Hyde horror: So many of Hyde's students enter the school with overhwhelmingly complex mental health problems. A very common complaint (one that should scare off any parent considering Hyde) is that Hyde simply doesn't believe in providing on-campus mental health help for kids whose problems at Hyde (emotional crises, behavioral challenges, "attitude" issues) are a direct result of their psychiatric needs. Hyde throws these kids a bone by agreeing to refer them to a handful of counselors in the local communities (Bath and Woodstock). The families and educational consultants we've spoken to are shocked by Hyde's lack of interest in genuine mental health services and superficial contact with the kids' therapists. Many have come to the conclusion that Hyde is accepting the wrong kinds of kids given its model. The fact that Hyde accepts so many deeply troubled kids without providing appropriate supportive services is dreadful. Might it be that Hyde is so concerned about enrollments and cash flow that it's taking in kids who don't really belong there?"
Glad you brought this up - it should have been number one on my list, although it came into play on several of the things I listed. They used to call me "Lazy Larry" at Hyde. But I wasn't lazy, I was suffering from major clinical depression and anxiety disorder. Granted, they didn't know that - it didn't get diagnosed until I was older. But I don't think it would have mattered to them. They were either clueless or deliberately ignorant about these things. As I pointed out on another post, the faculty were absolutely shocked when I aced the SATs. They had no idea that I was that intelligent. In fact, it should have clued in everyone, including my parents, that another school would have better served my needs.
They couldn't allow someone to simply learn the material and get good grades, you had to be a "leader" in class. What a crock of shit.
I wasn't kidding when I talked about how much I loved college. It wasn't just the great weather, the beautiful girls & the parties, I really enjoyed SCHOOL for the first time after I survived Hyde. I enjoyed going to class, getting to take the ones that interested me and not having to be a "leader." I learned in the real world that real leadership is something different than what Hyde tries to indoctrinate.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-26 14:48:00, Lars wrote:
""Other Hyde students and parents we've encountered repeat this list and add one other major Hyde horror: So many of Hyde's students enter the school with overhwhelmingly complex mental health problems. A very common complaint (one that should scare off any parent considering Hyde) is that Hyde simply doesn't believe in providing on-campus mental health help for kids whose problems at Hyde (emotional crises, behavioral challenges, "attitude" issues) are a direct result of their psychiatric needs. Hyde throws these kids a bone by agreeing to refer them to a handful of counselors in the local communities (Bath and Woodstock). The families and educational consultants we've spoken to are shocked by Hyde's lack of interest in genuine mental health services and superficial contact with the kids' therapists. Many have come to the conclusion that Hyde is accepting the wrong kinds of kids given its model. The fact that Hyde accepts so many deeply troubled kids without providing appropriate supportive services is dreadful. Might it be that Hyde is so concerned about enrollments and cash flow that it's taking in kids who don't really belong there?"
Glad you brought this up - it should have been number one on my list, although it came into play on several of the things I listed. They used to call me "Lazy Larry" at Hyde. But I wasn't lazy, I was suffering from major clinical depression and anxiety disorder. Granted, they didn't know that - it didn't get diagnosed until I was older. But I don't think it would have mattered to them. They were either clueless or deliberately ignorant about these things. As I pointed out on another post, the faculty were absolutely shocked when I aced the SATs. They had no idea that I was that intelligent. In fact, it should have clued in everyone, including my parents, that another school would have better served my needs.
They couldn't allow someone to simply learn the material and get good grades, you had to be a "leader" in class. What a crock of shit.
I wasn't kidding when I talked about how much I loved college. It wasn't just the great weather, the beautiful girls & the parties, I really enjoyed SCHOOL for the first time after I survived Hyde. I enjoyed going to class, getting to take the ones that interested me and not having to be a "leader." I learned in the real world that real leadership is something different than what Hyde tries to indoctrinate.
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Perhaps in your case Hyde didn't know about the clinical depression and anxiety issues since they were diagnosed post-Hyde. But, Hyde certainly DOES know that lots of the students who currently enroll there have significant psychiatric diagnoses. Hence, Hyde's inattention to these issues and unwillingess to provide professional services seems negligent to me. Since you have a law degree, might you comment on this? Does it seem that Hyde's willingness to accept kids with major mental health diagnoses without providing any professional services to address these issues comes close to negligence? A number of people on this website have raised this issue.
Antigen:
Does Gauld ever hold forth on how professional psychiatrists don't know what they're doing?
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is
proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in
everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
--Herbert Spencer
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Lars:
"Perhaps in your case Hyde didn't know about the clinical depression and anxiety issues since they were diagnosed post-Hyde. But, Hyde certainly DOES know that lots of the students who currently enroll there have significant psychiatric diagnoses. Hence, Hyde's inattention to these issues and unwillingess to provide professional services seems negligent to me. Since you have a law degree, might you comment on this? Does it seem that Hyde's willingness to accept kids with major mental health diagnoses without providing any professional services to address these issues comes close to negligence? A number of people on this website have raised this issue."
I forgot to put in a previous post that prior to joining the public defender's office, I spent a year working in a law firm that specialized in personal injury & medical malpractice. The guys I worked for were assholes, but it was a high powered practice and I learned quite a bit about nasty civil litigation. Frankly, I think that Hyde is very lucky that it haven't gotten nailed in a lawsuit. However, what you need to go forward with one is serious injury or death. If some kid gets killed or kills him or herself there they could be in very big trouble. I suspect they keep a very large liability policy just in case. I believe that they have been extraordinarily negligent over the years. I mean punitive damages kind of negligent (and those are rarely awarded, despite what the tort reform people will tell you). But so far as we know, they've been lucky.
[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-11-26 15:14 ]
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-26 15:13:00, Lars wrote:
""Perhaps in your case Hyde didn't know about the clinical depression and anxiety issues since they were diagnosed post-Hyde. But, Hyde certainly DOES know that lots of the students who currently enroll there have significant psychiatric diagnoses. Hence, Hyde's inattention to these issues and unwillingess to provide professional services seems negligent to me. Since you have a law degree, might you comment on this? Does it seem that Hyde's willingness to accept kids with major mental health diagnoses without providing any professional services to address these issues comes close to negligence? A number of people on this website have raised this issue."
I forgot to put in a previous post that prior to joining the public defender's office, I spent a year working in a law firm that specialized in personal injury & medical malpractice. The guys I worked for were assholes, but it was a high powered practice and I learned quite a bit about nasty civil litigation. Frankly, I think that Hyde is very lucky that it haven't gotten nailed in a lawsuit. However, what you need to go forward with one is serious injury or death. If some kid gets killed or kills him or herself there they could be in very big trouble. I suspect they keep a very large liability policy just in case. I believe that they have been extraordinarily negligent over the years. I mean punitive damages kind of negligent (and those are rarely awarded, despite what the tort reform people will tell you). But so far as we know, they've been lucky.
[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-11-26 15:14 ]"
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Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. I imagine it would take a suicide event or a major assault by a Hyde student to generate that kind of lawsuit. However, several people have commented (on this website) that Hyde recently settled a major lawsuit that arose out of a faculty member's harassment of a student.
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