Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Straight, Inc. and Derivatives
Growing Together of Lake Worth, Florida
ramprato:
Same old song & dance...... I've given out to you till I'm blue in the face Pablo, you don't listen, you just brush aside everything that is said to you. You try to "convince" us all that what you are doing to your kid is right. I sometimes wonder if you are really just trying to convince yourself that you think you right or why else would continue to keep coming back here all these weeks later. Remember now, we are the "screw-ups" according to GT, why do you still want to hang around here anyway?, you obviously got it all figured out. You run a good business, make good money, you must think of yourself as such a "success", so what could we possibly tell you that you don't already know? If your looking for some kind of guarantee that your choice was right, your not going to find it here.....People here went through 20 years ago what your son is experiencing NOW, and I don't think you are seeing too many good results from our experiences Pablo. So why Pablo do you keep coming back?
2dogs2:
Blopa Hey man!!! I'm just gonna bit my lip. But before I do... I just want to tell you that the suggestions you were given,("Talk to him", Unconditional love) do work. In fact they aren't supposed to be "tactics. You should have been applying them to your son all along. Shoulda, coulda ,woulda....
I know things are seeming so much better now. They are better , your kid is safe and he is learning some respect and all that.... But , later (since there is no talking you out of it) when your kid starts telling you and other people things that totally conflict with your own (and his) version of how things really were, listen to him and accept it because if you tell him he's crazy you will be right back where you started...probably worse. You are going to see. That is a fact. When is the question, and at what cost.
I would also give you this challenge: Find me one person a year after G.T. who thinks they truly needed what they recieved there. I'm not talking about the ones who are still envolved in the program. Good luck........Dogs
FaceKhan:
Re: Blopa Pablo, you were never looking for information, you were looking for someone to sympathize and validate your fears and concerns. That is what GT does for you. They make you feel as if you are doing the right thing. The problem is that while you are being supported your son is being warehoused and tormented to keep you from knowing the truth and to keep the money coming in. You are a new and naive member of a cult and your son is the only one that you will believe who will give you the truth and that is why he is kept from you and that is why you are told from the beginning that when and if he complains that your are not supposed to believe him. Smart, successful, loving people can be duped by cults like GT, if you were not smart, successful and loving, you would not be of interest to GT. They play off your ego, and your rectitude and your love of your son to get your money and initiate you into their twisted belief system.
I am 18 and I have many friends who have been way into all sorts of drugs. They stole from parents to support their habits (although they were not addicted they just wanted to get high) and they were high, drunk, stoned, tripping, rolling, or shrooming for a long time. By every common misconception about drug use and abuse, by the word of every cop and health teacher, and drug war zealot, a lot of them should be dead by now. But they are not. In fact in the last few months, most of the people I know who were the most heavily into drugs have cleaned up totally, because they began to realize that they can't handle it, that even though they are not chemically addicted they needed it to get through their day and the rest of their lives were on hold. My friend "J" who has probably been drunk or stoned from middle school to the end of highschool has quit everything, even ciggarrettes in the last six months. He swore off the harder stuff months ago, and then quit weed and ciggarretes this month. At first it was almost uncomfortable to me, because unlike many of them I never got into to most drugs and I almost never drink, and so when they said we were quiting I was
One of them was court ordered to rehab recently but that was because he failed drug tests while on a probation for a DUI but none of the others had ever been arrested or gotten in trouble for anything.
For me, I never had a habit to quit. I did one thing occassionally when I felt like doing it and since it was so infrequently I never felt any of the possible negative effects.
"There is always choice. We say there is no choice only to comfort ourselves with the decision we have already made. If you understand that, there's hope. If not .." Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692
Blopa:
Growing Together of Lake Worth, Florida I am a parent of a teenage boy that abused every drug, was kicked out of school, stealed from us repeatedly and got in trouble with the police for minor ofenses. He had a very defiant attitutde with us also. As he kept failing drug tests and all the warnings and consequences did very little to improve his behavior or stop his growing, daily drug use, I sent him to Growing Together. I am interested in information about this place and program as I love my son and want to help him and not harm him. I will appreciate any factual info anybody can provide me.
Thanks!
ramprato:
Blopa Thank you for writing,
I hope you have had the chance to see the police report about Growing Together at the following link. Its contents concern a sex abuse charge. Scroll down a bit over halfway down and look for the heading "Sex abuse and rights of children in Florida rehab programs", there are 5 further links concerning that police report. I hope that tells you something about Growing Together that the ones running it didn't want you to know. I would implore you to MAKE yourself find other options for your troubled kid. These people are not the answer, don't let them sucker you in anymore saying to you they are it, the only ones that can "help" you kid. The methods they use to "fix" your kid require extreme mental abuse him leaving him shell shocked with lifetime nightmares and perinea, and falsely guilt-ridden for life, you will take what ever problem there was with him before and only add more to his already long list.
fornits.com/straight/head.../index.htm
Growing together is just a spin-off of Straight Inc., with a new name. Please read up on it at thestraights.com/straight/
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