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ramprato:
Still don't get it... "BTW you still do not offer an alternative treatment."


My God, everything you have been told by all of us, and you still refer to that place as "treatment".


Why don't you try NOT locking him away from you, and talk to him instead of entrusting him to complete strangers for starts, sounds like he has had a smorgasbord of places to help "fix" him in his short 17 years of life, what the hell about you?, has he had YOU to talk to yet? or did that go to off to the side while you were piling up all the money? Go into family counseling, study the end affects of brainwashing and what survivors of brainwashing go through day to day because you're going to need the information to deal with you own kid's Post Traumatic Stress Disorder that you and GT have introduced to him. You might find a good therapist for him and you for that matter, one that is familiar with Synanon based MIND RAPING methods because that's the new thing you got to add to the list on top of all the rest of juniors "ailments" boss.


Level with me, when you first started lurking our websites and posted your first message (listing off all these things he did), did you list your son's "problems" off the 20 questions pamphlet they gave you? Do you honestly think that the 20 questions thing started in GT, lol.


"Ken, I am not interested in winning any argument with you, prove you wrong, etc. as I understand you are only trying to help me and my kid. It just surprises me that you refer to GT as if was a copy of Straight. You know Straight, you do not not GT and you ignore the differences I point out to you."


Well you right there, I am actually genuinely concerned amazingly for someone I never even met that I know is being tortured up in his mind, this is getting real personal, I am speaking for somebody that can NOT speak for himself, YOUR son. Pay close attention now.......GT was born out of Straight and uses the same mind raping methods that straight used on all us all those years ago, savvy?

"You know Straight, you do not not GT and you ignore the differences I point out to you."


I think your saying I don't know GT, only Straight, wrong, I know the methods GT uses, I know that there were homosexual abuse charges brought up against GT in a police report that I bet they didn't tell you upon you admitting you child, and entrusting him to. I know that you yourself have said that he has NO privacy and I know that this is a main brainwashing tactic right there not to mention the sheer humiliation of it, (bathroom ect...)


You are fixed in your beliefs, there is NO stopping you, they have you "convinced" another dollar in the pot for them, another ruined human being. I would NEVER put my kid in a place like that under ANY circumstances, those people who run places like that ought to be jailed. Don't worry though, I, like everybody here will do what they can to expose these sickos with or without your help.

FaceKhan:
 Instances of attention and hundreds more are never seen My best friend returned from a wildnerness program that was supposed to help him. Well despite his big claims upon leaving that he was 'cured' and he loved his parents and all that @#%$. A few months later he is back to exactly where he was, sitting around, no school, no job, smoking lots of pot, @#%$ one girl, while trying to get back with a girl from years ago, and mooching off his rich alcoholic father and his nuerotic drug abusing mother. 20,000 dollars well spent, afterall isn't a forced hike through the woods with "experts" worth its weight in gold? It certainly "saved" my friend and cleared up his confusion. At best it was adolescence interrupted, and at worst, I don't even know but soon after he came home I was contacted by two former students both highly regarded by the program who had spent 3.5 and 5.5 months (its supposed to be a 84 day program) respectively and had quite an interesting tale of poor supervision, untrained staff, awful management, and violations of common sense and common decency.


When he came home, I felt too awkward to even speak to his parents, afterall he seemed fine (perhaps even happier than he went in) and I had seemingly made a big deal out of nothing. Two and a half months later, I am beginning to think his parents are avoiding me, as I have only seen his father once or twice and his mother not at all, even though I spend at least a few hours a week at his house.    


The only thing I hear about Alldredge Academy from Alex , who briefly raved about the program and how he was leaving pot and acid behind him, learning Ha-Kido and getting a job ( "any job" were his exact words) is "there are a lot of brilliant people there"


Kinda cryptic, like he is unsure if they are brilliant cause they helped him or cause they duped, manipulated, and controlled him. Alex, who I once described as the master manipulator who could get anyone to do anything was duped along with his parents.


They say GOD works in mysterious ways, but he is a third rate con man compared to these program operators. Someone who wished to remain anonymous said that "these programs are cults, they are frauds, and they are confidence games." They are also very dangerous.


I have read and listened to the stories of many former program parents.  Don't kidd yourself Blopa, the only true statement made by those program people is that you really are in the program, you may not sleep in the building with your son but, the same tactics they use to control your son are being used on you. Who do you trust, the son you have known all his life, your own gut instincts? Or are you going to trust a sly con man, someone you do not even know. You have a problem and you have money and suddenly you have a friend and he seems to know everything about your problem. He knows all the right words to say to get you to sign on the dotted line.  Read this Mother's story about her experience in the program's parent seminars www.intrepidnetreporter.c...eaking.htm


If you try to "break the rules" and pull your son out or perhaps broach the idea to them about a family vacation, watch their reaction, guranteed they will strongly resist any attempt to remove your son from the program's custody.


Lastly I know it may be heard to watch your son abuse drugs but, even legitimate drug treatment only works for people who are addicted or dependent, and most users of ecstasy, marijuana, and LSD are neither addicted nor dependent. Get him out of there, take him away show him you love him, and when things settle down, explain to him calmly why it is important to you that he quit the drugs.

Antigen:
You are so level headed Thanks for that. If I were on better terms with my daughter right now, I'd be trying to set you up with her.

Elle:
acceptance Before I went into "treatment centre" that was staight based, I'd been through many other places, therapists, psychologits, ect. My family percieved them as failing, because I hadn't stopped the behavoirs that worried them, however some of them were benificial and changed me quit a bit. An outreach worker who simnply met me for coffee weekly gave me someone to share with, and helped boost my self esteem. I stopped doing drugs, but my parents continued to accuse me of being on them.


I had anorexia, and had since childhood. I'd been severely depressed and suicidal most of my life. I had drug induced psychosis leaving me in a state of constant hollucinations, and was unable to even read for one year. So, certainly my parents had reason to worry, and certainly I was in severe emotional and physical pain. One would think, that things couldn't get worse.


Years after "treatment" I sadly remember those times on drugs and near death as the happiest times in my life, because I hadn't been exposed to the ugliness of a straight based program yet. I think that you need to accept that we are not anti treatment. We are anti straight/straight based treatment, and that is where your son is. You also need to accept that you really have no way of knowing what is going on when you are not in the room. He may start looking physically better because he's put on weight, and he may laugh or smile, but you don't know what's scaring him to make those outward changes. Inwardly, he may be being exposed to something so traumatic that he will never be himself again. That's called killing ones spirit.


I'd like to repeat that the place I was in did NOT use food or sleep deprivation against us. There was hidden physical/sexual abuse happening, but extremely well hidden. Many of the kids didn't even know it was happening to the others. Most kids got fat, and had color back in their cheeks again.


I know that you must love your son to say that you would rather have him brainwashed as long as he's alive, but who is that surving? Many of us will tell you that it might have been best if we'd died from a drug overdose, than gone through straight based programs. As a married woman with pets, a loving new family, and a comfy house, I still sometimes feel that living through it has been too hard, and wonder if it was worth it. I don't ever think that of my drug times. Those are much easier to recover from.


Alternative solution, is let live. I know it seems wrong to sit and watch your child self destruct, but subjecting him to mental, and even sexual abuse is the worst thing to do. A parent outside of your situation would understand that. You keeping him there, is making you feel better. It makes you feel as though you are doing the best thing for him, it let's you feel safe at night (falesly) knowing that he's alive. For his sake, maybe you should imagine what pain has come out of his self destruction, or what sadness may have led him to take it so far. Then, add the insult to the injury of him feeling commited, abandoned, and now probably abused. For the rest of his life he'll wonder why his parents, and everyone from GT thought that he needed to be changed so badly. He'll always feel that there must be something wrong with him, and be afraid to show his true self.


He may be young and niave, but he is a human being who should have equal amount of freedom in life that you do, and I know that you would not want to be commited and brainwashed because you've made bad decisions. And You know what? Knowing you're possibly subjecting him to abuse puts you in a place where that may happen.


Just trying to help you and your son here.


                                                   Elle.

2dogs2:
You won't know till,you know.  I just wanted to tell you that when I was in straight, We were not locked in rooms. All we had were those silly little alarms too.  And I never got sat on or restrained. We weren't supposed to cuss when we were "applying" positive peer pressure to other clients.  My folks heard some horror stories about Straight but ,were told that it was a completely different deal while I was there.  And physically it was.  It's not all the stuff that would obviously scare you , that should be worried about.  It is the things that don't seem to be that big a deal compared to the alternative.  If you would stop pretending to be Mr.Open-mind and really have one, you would be with your son right this minute ,being a real father , saying the right @#%$ . The @#%$ that comes from your heart not some stupid book.  I love my dad , but I still to this day can't believe what a big @#%$ he was for paying some people he didn't even know, to do the job he should have done as my father.  I just can't believe that you are so afraid of feeling the pain that you WILL feel if you did the right thing and got honest with your baby boy, that you actual find it easier to take the risk of distroying his mind. I don't want to start sounding like the "paronoids"  But as a father you are the one who is to impress a life-style (brainwash) on your son. Don't be one of the statistic pussies who choose to  abandon the responsibility of being a father, until it becomes a problem and then pay someone else to be your boy's "Daddy".   You think your son does all the things he's done because he wants to die?  He's not serious about any of it. It's all about "Hey dad I'm right here...do the right thing". The harder you ignore your resposibility the crazier he will become. I know you think you've tried everything but sometimes the most obvious thing is too unbelievably easy. I wish I could sit down with your son and tell him that what ever he has done doesn't matter. He doesn't need to feel bad about who he has become. He doesn't need to feel overwhelmed about how hard it is going to be to change.   People can change completely in one second. Have you ever been changed completely in an instant by something? I would be willing to bet my life that your son could change his entire life in one second...If you found the right words...can't help ya there, only you can unravel that mystery...2-dogs

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