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RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Moreover, you assumed I "got upset."
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Yes, I did, and from your response I can see I was dead on. If you expect everyone to accept comparisons to Gulags from the 1930's then you need to accept comparisons to Summer Camps, outward bound from the 1970's etc.
--- Quote ---Oh, I'm looking at the two statements, Whooter, and I cannot for the life of me see how you used one to extrapolate to the other. Postulating that "one has to wonder" does in no way imply that one "cannot understand." In fact, more often than not, when people use that former phrase, they often already have some conclusions and/or understanding kicking around in their head, and are using this literary device to elicit some focused contemplation on the part of the reader.
As for your claim that I "cannot relate," this would appear to be yet another presumption on your part. Transference, anyone?
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So you can either relate to the kids that do well and the life lesson they learned or you cannot (which is it?). If you feel you can relate to them then that is great and is a big step for you. If you cannot relate to them then my statement holds true.
--- Quote ---If the above examples epitomize your reasoning capabilities, they certainly could serve to shed some light on how you are able to continue extrapolating "program success" from insider generated "studies," not to mention press releases geared towards investors, while conveniently bypassing any evidence to the contrary.
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Ah, the ever popular program success, so that is what has you upset. Hmmmm, The recent independent study which was overseen by a third (independent oversight organization) which upholds the conclusions from those internal studies you have been turning your nose up at all these years.
So now that the industry has generated independent studies with third party oversight you may want to think about asking for longer term clinical studies. Maybe that will buy you another year or two of fooling yourself that no studies exist. lol Even with a Bose noise reduction headset you will be pretty hard pressed to ignore the feedback from a study based on a 1,000 kids and parents. You guys dedicated an entire thread, here on fornits, trying to discredit the study but in the end the ethics investigation and conflict of interest review found that the study was done in good standing and has been presented and well received by many psychological associations.
I am sorry this upsets you, but all the google searches you can muster isnt going to overturn a first hand ethics review.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" --- The recent independent study which was overseen by a third (independent oversight organization) which upholds the conclusions from those internal studies you have been turning your nose up at all these years.
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Anne Bonney:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---do you mean ambiguity like.. "I was abused by the industry"... well who abused you?... "ah,no one specific,just the industry in general".... hmmm so the entire industry is responsible?... "Exactly".
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I'm afraid I haven't run across that conversation yet, Whooter. Care to provide a link?
Or was this another one of your attempts to belittle or discredit survivor accounts? Do tell.
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Yep. That's exactly what it is.
I can tell you right now who abused me. I've told Virgil Miller Newton, a/k/a "Father" Cassian Newton to his face on many, many occasions that he's a child abusing criminal and a sociopathic fraud. So have the numerous people who have successfully sued him. So has the federal government.
Whooter:
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Or was this another one of your attempts to belittle or discredit survivor accounts? Do tell.
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Belittle or discredit another poster or an entire group of people? I don’t think anyone would be that insensitive, at least not here. I don’t think fornits would tolerate it.
Imagine for a moment if someone tried to discredit or belittle an entire industry and the people who work for it. Would we sit around and stand for that? Should we stand up and say: “Not on my forum!!, we don’t tolerate that narrow minded thinking here”.
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DannyB II:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---do you mean ambiguity like.. "I was abused by the industry"... well who abused you?... "ah,no one specific,just the industry in general".... hmmm so the entire industry is responsible?... "Exactly".
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I'm afraid I haven't run across that conversation yet, Whooter. Care to provide a link?
Or was this another one of your attempts to belittle or discredit survivor accounts? Do tell.
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Yep. That's exactly what it is.
I can tell you right now who abused me. I've told Virgil Miller Newton, a/k/a "Father" Cassian Newton to his face on many, many occasions that he's a child abusing criminal and a sociopathic fraud. So have the numerous people who have successfully sued him. So has the federal government.
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Anne you can be so full of yourself sometimes it is hilarious. You walked up to Miller Newton and right in his face (no less then 12 inches away) told him all these things, naw I don't think so. I believe others have done it and you heard their stories but I find you to be a "big talker" with very small heart.
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