Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
maruska:
I do not want to make this to a pissing contest , but this is interesting reading too:
http://www.americansmadandangry.org/
and the blogs, Whooter...pretty pretty please:))
and I really do not understand this (from your conversation with Ursus):
I have experienced someone being hurt severely and it did taint my recollection of my time there. It was a terrible summer. But the difference between you and me is I can see that other kids in my group had a good time....what are talking about here?!.."my time there"? does that mean you were in a program, too?? ..as a staff?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "maruska" ---I do not want to make this to a pissing contest , but this is interesting reading too:
http://www.americansmadandangry.org/
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That is interesting. I think we can both agree that avoiding hospitals if at all possible is a good thing.
--- Quote ---and the blogs, Whooter...pretty pretty please:))
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Sorry, I dont have any active links for you, but when I do I will pass them along, promise.
--- Quote ---and also this:
I have experienced someone being hurt severely and it did taint my recollection of my time there. It was a terrible summer. But the difference between you and me is I can see that other kids in my group had a good time....what are talking about here?
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Oh, I was with a group for the summer when I was young and one of the kids I was with and made friends with was badly hurt after having a fight with a counselor.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "maruska" ---and also this:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Sorry, Whooter, I really don't need to believe anything, and whichever way it was or is ... is not going to "shake my world too much" one way or another at this point. It is what it is, and perhaps it's time that you came to terms with the fact that the propaganda that you spew is not a harmless moneymaker or stock price booster but in fact, fraudulent advertising for programs that affect some kids and their families in very real, tangible, and not in the least bit beneficial ways. And sometimes, with all too fatal consequences.
One really has to wonder about what sort of life lessons these kids' peers learn, the ones who ostensibly "do well in programs and move on with their lives."
I dunno 'bout you, but if a peer of mine in program were to die or even to suffer long term trauma as a direct result of the "programming" we were subjected to... it wouldn't matter how "great" a time I had, the experience would be seriously tainted for me.
And if I had any kind of moral backbone in me, I would probably begin to seriously QUESTION the veracity of said methodologies used. And probably also the ideology behind it as well, as I got in deeper. Doncha think?
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I have experienced someone being hurt severely and it did taint my recollection of my time there. It was a terrible summer. But the difference between you and me is I can see that other kids in my group had a good time. The terrible event didn’t warp my entire perception on life. You stated yourself that you cannot relate at all to all these kids who do well in programs and you cannot understand what life lesson they learn. This is a short coming of yours (not mine or everyone else's) or the children being helped.
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what are talking about here?
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Oh, I was with a group for the summer when I was young and one of the kids I was with and made friends with was badly hurt after having a fight with a counselor.
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I was hoping this wasn't another of your comparisons of program with summer camp. Care to spell it out a bit more explicitly, Whooter?
Also, please provide a link to where I allegedly provided you with the grist for this statement:
"You stated yourself that you cannot relate at all to all these kids who do well in programs and you cannot understand what life lesson they learn."[/list]
Since I cannot remember saying such a thing (as written), nor even recognize that statement (as written), it appears, IF indeed I said such a thing, that you have taken it grossly out of context.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I was hoping this wasn't another of your comparisons of program with summer camp. Care to spell it out a bit more explicitly, Whooter?
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You get upset when I compare programs to summer camp yet it is acceptable to compare programs to Russian gulags and cults? Hmmm
--- Quote ---Also, please provide a link to where I allegedly provided you with the grist for this statement:
"You stated yourself that you cannot relate at all to all these kids who do well in programs and you cannot understand what life lesson they learn."
Since I cannot remember saying such a thing (as written), nor even recognize that statement (as written), it appears, IF indeed I said such a thing, that you have taken it grossly out of context.
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Look above (previous post) where you said:
“One really has to wonder about what sort of life lessons these kids' peers learn, the ones who ostensibly "do well in programs and move on with their lives."
But even without the quote it is evident, via your postings, that you cannot relate to kids who do well in programs.
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DannyB II:
Ursus wrote:
--- Quote ---Sorry, Whooter, I really don't need to believe anything, and whichever way it was or is ... is not going to "shake my world too much" one way or another at this point. It is what it is, and perhaps it's time that you came to terms with the fact that the propaganda that you spew is not a harmless moneymaker or stock price booster but in fact, fraudulent advertising for programs that affect some kids and their families in very real, tangible, and not in the least bit beneficial ways. And sometimes, with all too fatal consequences.
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Jeesh, you have no personal experience with fraudulent advertising that I have read and you have no personal experience of the "all too fatal consequences". I could be wrong, did your parents feel deceived and was their a death at Hyde while you were there.
--- Quote ---One really has to wonder about what sort of life lessons these kids' peers learn, the ones who ostensibly "do well in programs and move on with their lives."
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This is not something you are using any energy to find out, that's for sure. So what is this a rhetorical statement/question ??????
--- Quote ---I dunno 'bout you, but if a peer of mine in program were to die or even to suffer long term trauma as a direct result of the "programming" we were subjected to... it wouldn't matter how "great" a time I had, the experience would be seriously tainted for me.
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You have no personal experience with this, so your whole statement is speculative. You don't know this.
Hmmmmm.........drama.
--- Quote ---And if I had any kind of moral backbone in me.......
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You said it.....IF
--- Quote ---I would probably begin to seriously QUESTION the veracity of said methodologies used. And probably also the ideology behind it as well, as I got in deeper
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What I have seen of you over the last 6 months I would agree with this under one condition you tone down the drama....you are looking deeper into it right now, although I don't feel all this heartfelt emotion your trying to convey.
--- Quote ---Doncha think?
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It depends......
danny
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