Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Samara" ---Uh, Whooter do you know how many people cherrio'd the program after they graduated only to recant it later? Two words: Longitudinal Studies.
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That’s what I am talking about, Samara. The studies will show how effective the places are and we don’t have to have this back and forth. The studies I have seen show the programs to be about 80% effective. Which program was studied and what were the results? Do you have a link to the outcome studies?
--- Quote ---It's called brainwash. I've met many a successful anti program person and many unsuccessful pro program people and vice versa. Whether you made it out ok or not is irrelevant to the question of whether sustained program abuse is acceptable.
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I find it hard to believe that they call it brainwashing. The only place I ever hear that is here on fornits. We all agree that abuse is not acceptable. The problem is with the definition and whether or not abuse occurred. So are you saying that you have meet people who were helped by the program or not? That didn’t come out very clear to me.
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Awake:
As funny as this video is it is very similar to the kind of mind control, brainwashing, cult what have you that did occur at Cedu. You may laugh but many will identify greatly with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E
When it is real tho... not that funny.
Samara:
There are no longitudinal studies. That's my point.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Samara" ---There are no longitudinal studies. That's my point.
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Yep. IIRC, the "study" Whooter always likes to cite is a questionaire type thing that had 17 preselected students say how they felt about the program shortly after graduation and about a year later. Not surprisingly, there was a higher response rate from parents. :D
Samara:
Whooter: Why are you here? You live here at Fornits, and the only thing you do is poke at program survivors. Why would you spend your time doing it? It is sadistic. And non sensical. If I thought a site was full of hooey, you could not pay me to live there.
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