Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---Whooter from my experience working in programs I noticed a couple of things. Parents (1) physically abused their children (2) verbally abused their children (3) sexually abused their children (4) abused drugs (5) abused alcohol (6) were going through a divorce (7) didn't spend enough time with their children (8) failed to supervise their children on a consistent basis (9) failed to enforce logical rules in the home [up for debate] (10) failed to consequence their children within reason [not talking about torture etc.] and (11) failed to act as good role models. As a result, the child says fuck it, I'll party hard, skip school, steal cars, burn latrines, blow up mail boxes and the whole nine yards Often adults cannot connect the dots. I am not saying the above applies to you but only you can answer that. Some parents choose to step up to the plate, man up and tackle the problem head on. Others take the easy way out, don't exhaust every option in the book and take the easy way out by sending their child to a program. Again I don't know if this applies to you, only you can answer that.
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Joel where did you get this information? You never provided a link or citation....I will answer you but you need to live up to your own standards. Answer the following and then we will talk
• (1) What was the Parents First and Last Name
• (2) What type of Language did they use?
• (3)How do you define Sexual abuse?
• (4) How did you determine that drugs were abused? Was there a test involved?
• (5) How much alcohol was consumed?
• (6)Who initiated the divorce (father or mother)?
• (7) How much time did they spend with their children and how do you define “enough”?
• (8)Can you provide a link indicating their consistency in this area?
• (9) Can you provide an example of illogical Rules?
• (10) Which consequences did they fail to enforce?
• (11) Can you provide a link to a good role model?
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maruska:
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--- Quote from: "maruska" ---Ok, I apologize, Whoother, I should have not be so blunt with you. It is always such a sensitive topic,when it comes to our own children .
I just want to tell you this: my daughter put us through hell...in comparisson to your daughter she is a spitfire:) Yet we never, in a million years would consider to drop the ball and let anybody else raise her....
It is probably a cultural difference. And maybe that is the reason we do not have such schools and programs in our country. We do need them.
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Thankfully You didnt have to raise an at-risk child.
I dont think it is a cultural difference at all, Maruska. Many people in American look for solutions and seek help where needed. If we cannot solve our problems within the family we look outside the home for support. If it doesn't exist then we invent it. I am sure you have kids living on the streets, entering prison and not contributing to society in your country.
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And you know this how? Do you want to compare notes whose daughter was more at risk? LOL
I know you do not want to hear that , but it is possible to raise children without this industry. And succesfully.
Otherwise all European teenagers would be dead or in jail...they are not, trust me on that:)
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Oh, no doubt, Maruska. Approx. 99.999% of our teenagers are raised without the help of programs and we do a good job here. You have kids in Europe who are living in the streets, in jail and who have died from drugs, neglect etc. like most other countries. So your raising kids at home method (without the help of the industry) is not 100% successful. I think we can agree there anyway.
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Are you saying that you do not have kids who are living in the streets, in jail and who have died from drugs, neglect etc ? Really?
I think you mentioned somewhere here on Fornits the number of children living in the street in the USA, and it was a shocking high number.
So ...I really do not understand where are you going with this?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "maruska" ---Are you saying that you do not have kids who are living in the streets, in jail and who have died from drugs, neglect etc ? Really?
I think you mentioned somewhere here on Fornits the number of children living in the street in the USA, and it was a shocking high number.
So ...I really do not understand where are you going with this?
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--- Quote from: "maruska" ---
And you know this how? Do you want to compare notes whose daughter was more at risk? LOL
I know you do not want to hear that , but it is possible to raise children without this industry. And succesfully.
Otherwise all European teenagers would be dead or in jail...they are not, trust me on that:)
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Oh, no doubt, Maruska. Approx. 99.999% of our teenagers are raised without the help of programs and we do a good job here. You have kids in Europe who are living in the streets, in jail and who have died from drugs, neglect etc. like most other countries. So your raising kids at home method (without the help of the industry) is not 100% successful. I think we can agree there anyway.
Until 100% of the kids are safe then we need to keep finding solutions. Raising kids at home and not seeking outside is not 100% effective.
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maruska:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "maruska" ---Are you saying that you do not have kids who are living in the streets, in jail and who have died from drugs, neglect etc ? Really?
I think you mentioned somewhere here on Fornits the number of children living in the street in the USA, and it was a shocking high number.
So ...I really do not understand where are you going with this?
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--- Quote from: "maruska" ---
And you know this how? Do you want to compare notes whose daughter was more at risk? LOL
I know you do not want to hear that , but it is possible to raise children without this industry. And succesfully.
Otherwise all European teenagers would be dead or in jail...they are not, trust me on that:)
--- End quote ---
Oh, no doubt, Maruska. Approx. 99.999% of our teenagers are raised without the help of programs and we do a good job here. You have kids in Europe who are living in the streets, in jail and who have died from drugs, neglect etc. like most other countries. So your raising kids at home method (without the help of the industry) is not 100% successful. I think we can agree there anyway.
Until 100% of the kids are safe then we need to keep finding solutions. Raising kids at home and not seeking outside is not 100% effective.
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I could agree with that. When help is needed , it should be (and it is) available.
I am afraid we do not agree what HELP means:)
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "maruska" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "maruska" ---Are you saying that you do not have kids who are living in the streets, in jail and who have died from drugs, neglect etc ? Really?
I think you mentioned somewhere here on Fornits the number of children living in the street in the USA, and it was a shocking high number.
So ...I really do not understand where are you going with this?
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--- Quote from: "maruska" ---
And you know this how? Do you want to compare notes whose daughter was more at risk? LOL
I know you do not want to hear that , but it is possible to raise children without this industry. And succesfully.
Otherwise all European teenagers would be dead or in jail...they are not, trust me on that:)
--- End quote ---
Oh, no doubt, Maruska. Approx. 99.999% of our teenagers are raised without the help of programs and we do a good job here. You have kids in Europe who are living in the streets, in jail and who have died from drugs, neglect etc. like most other countries. So your raising kids at home method (without the help of the industry) is not 100% successful. I think we can agree there anyway.
Until 100% of the kids are safe then we need to keep finding solutions. Raising kids at home and not seeking outside is not 100% effective.
...
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I could agree with that. When help is needed , it should be (and it is) available.
I am afraid we do not agree what HELP means:)
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I agree.
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