Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Liscensure Questions
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-19 14:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Because kids manipulate their parents. Especially ones that are in programs and don't want to be there. If I were in a program, I would tell my parents anything I could to get pulled. It happens Robert. The more you talk, the less you sound like a kid who has been around kids at HLA. I question everything you have said at this point, because you sound so ignorant. "
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Wrong. This is a common tactic among the TCs. Anything negative that a kid says about a program is automatically pegged as 'manipulation'. It's been going on since they first sprang up. At least since I was in one over 20 years ago. Same fucking shit, different wrapper. You and people like you have no fucking clue as to the kind of lasting damage that is done in the name of 'help'. It won't stop until the altruistic do-gooders wake up and realize that they can't treat children like this and expect them to come out the better for it.
As someone is fond of saying, Please....we've had all the 'help' we can stand. STOP HELPING!!!
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-19 14:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Because kids manipulate their parents. Especially ones that are in programs and don't want to be there. If I were in a program, I would tell my parents anything I could to get pulled. It happens Robert. The more you talk, the less you sound like a kid who has been around kids at HLA. I question everything you have said at this point, because you sound so ignorant. "
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Do I now? This coming from a puppet, how cute.
Riddle me this though, what would you tell your parent if you really were in an abusive program?
Im not arguing kids dont try and manipulate their parents, I never claimed as much and youre simply to stupid to understand that.
What I am stating is that sometimes kids tell the truth, HLA capitalizes on the fact that yes many kids do have a history of lying to their parents, for that reason they tell the parents "expect your child to lie about this place, they'll say its bad when its really great, they just dont want to work." They then tell the parent the same thing over and over again about how your child will lie and say all kinds of awful things. They then further prevent the child from openly communicating with the parent to express any concernes, and if the child tries he is punished.
A point which you still have not addressed.
I am also further stating that while yes sometimes children lie and manipulate, adults can do it to.
I mean I assume youre an adult yet here you are lying about things and trying to manipulate the situation, all while getting frustrated because its not working out.
Sometimes adults lie.
Sometimes adults manipulate.
Sometimes they do it out of greed.
Acknowledge this or stop talking, as any further comments from you would be pointless and you would be known as not just a puppet by one so blinded and brainwashed by the party line you are incapable of stating anything else.
In the meantime remember the boy who cried wolf. Sometimes even a liar tells the truth.
WestSideStud2430:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-19 05:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
""1. Food cannot be rationed.
2. Physical labor cannot be used as a punishment.
3. A state represenative must be available for greivances"
1. Food is not rationed.
2. If you consider raking leaves, pulling weeds, and chopping wood physical labor then, yes, HLA has physical labor. My father called it hard work and he gave me more of it when I misbehaved. If a parent reading this cannot handle their child doing some hard work as a consequence, then they should not enroll their child at HLA.
3. Anyone can report greivances to Child Protective Services if they have a problem with something."
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That sounds all nice and fancy if your not there, never went there, or never will be going there. Try living on the campus for 13 months... then come back and tell me how it was...
Nonconformistlaw:
--- Quote ---On 2005-12-19 14:31:00, RobertBruce wrote:
--- Quote ---What I am stating is that sometimes kids tell the truth, HLA capitalizes on the fact that yes many kids do have a history of lying to their parents, for that reason they tell the parents "expect your child to lie about this place, they'll say its bad when its really great, they just dont want to work." They then tell the parent the same thing over and over again about how your child will lie and say all kinds of awful things. They then further prevent the child from openly communicating with the parent to express any concernes, and if the child tries he is punished."
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Yup, that happened to me, word for word....I repeatedly insisted that I had never tried drugs and was only drunk once....I was repeately called a liar by staff...but I was telling the truth...what Robert said is completely true...that is exactly what programs condition parents to believe, that kids will lie to get out of the program...BUT in reality, programs MANIPLULATE parents so they can collect hefty fees, with no interest whatsoever if the child belongs there.....programs are expert maniplators, so its no surprise programs ALWAYS try to hide this by accusing the children of being the manipulators.
--- Quote ---"Sometimes adults lie.
Sometimes adults manipulate.
Sometimes they do it out of greed.
In the meantime remember the boy who cried wolf. Sometimes even a liar tells the truth."
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All the above is so true that I thought it should be repeated.
Anonymous:
Given that Ga Regs state:
(b) "Child caring institution" means any institution, society, agency, or facility, whether incorporated or not, which either primarily or incidentally provides full-time care for children under 17 years of age outside of their own homes, subject to such exceptions as may be provided in rules and regulations of the Board of Human Resources. For purposes of these rules, a child caring institution means any institution, society, agency, or facility that provides such care to six or more children.*
Exemption:
2. Any bona fide boarding school whose primary purpose of admission is education,
provided that such facility in order to claim exemption shall operate under a published
academic educational curriculum which meets the requirements of the State Department
of Education, shall have classroom facilities which are not used for residential living,
shall not have been granted nor have assumed legal custody of children attending the
facility, and shall not provide service planning and casework services as described in
these rules.*
290-1-6-.08 Exemptions.
In an administrative or legal proceeding under this Chapter, a person claiming an
exemption or an exception granted by law, rule, regulation, or formal order has the
burden of proving this exemption or exception.
Authority O.C.G.A. Sec. 31-2-6. History. Original Rule entitled "Exemptions" adopted. F. Jul. 27, 1993; eff. Aug. 16, 1993.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW DID HLA PROVE TO THE STATE THAT THEIR PRIMARY PURPOSE IS EDUCATION?
(b) A service plan shall be developed by the child's Human Services Professional in
concert with the child's primary Child Care Worker, meaning the worker who has
responsibility for supervision of the child in the living unit where the child resides. The
plan shall contain the following data:
1. The results of the assessment and identified needs;
2. Statements of time-limited goals and objectives for the child and family and methods
of achieving them and evaluating them;
3. Statements of activities to be followed by the child and staff members in pursuit of the
stated goals and objectives;
4. Statements of any special care and services that will be arranged for or provided
directly;
5. Statements of goals and preliminary plans for discharge;
6. Statements about the types of discipline that should be employed when necessary; and
7. Statements about any restrictions of communications or visitations with any persons;
such statements shall clearly show that the health, safety, and welfare of the child would
be adversely affected by such communications or visits.
(c) The child, and the parent(s) or guardian(s), or child placing agency representative shall
be involved in the development of the service plan, and its periodic updates as described
below.
(d) The service plan shall be updated by the Human Services Professional at a minimum
of every six months and pertinent progress notes and data shall be incorporated in the
plan to measure attainment of stated goals and objectives. The child's primary Child Care
Worker shall participate in the updating.
290-2-5-.12 Child Care Services.
(1) Casework Services. All children in care and families of children in care shall receive
case work services as provided in their service plan from their assigned Human Services
Professional or other appropriate professionals who shall meet with and counsel with the
children. The results of such counseling shall be recorded in the children's case records.
The purpose of such services are to identify and monitor the children's and families'
progress relative to the needs, goals and objectives identified in child care assessments
and service plans and to discuss any problems being encountered by or with the children
in care.
NO SERVICE PLAN OR CASEWORK SERVICES?
HOW IS THE PROGRESS, OR LACK OF PROGRESS OF RESIDENTS MEASURED?
ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL?
HOW CAN YOU ADVERTISE TO TREAT MULTIPLE PSYCH DXs AND NOT PROVIDE A SERVICE PLAN/CASEWORK SERVICES?
$7000/MONTH IS QUIET HEFTY FOR GLORIFIED BABY-SITTING.
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