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Did staff ever tell you something wasn't worng when it was?

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landyh:

--- Quote ---On 2005-11-24 10:13:00, TRUCKER wrote:

"I cant speak for the other branchs of the Seed but I knew the Doc who gave his time (free) for many years at the 84 facility. His wife was a nurse and he had a private office in Lauderdale. He treated many pts in the community that were the poor and forgotten out of his own pocket.For those that knew Dr. P. Ryser you now what a great man he was. I beleive that just like many social programs it starts with great aspirations and good intentions but with time ,money and numbers the end result becomes cloudy and harder to obtain.Could it be that the Staff members were truly misinformed (big head) or just the medical questions were never asked? Just as bed wetting was never mentioned at the intake to the Seed by the client one can see that It now becomes the Seeds fault. I belive our leaders(USA) now just like then(Seed)have vision problems. They see whats in it for them.Not what they were originally tasked to do. As far as not asking for help when one was sick I can see that the fact of asking for help(teasing) implies that one is weak.This was also the mind set of many in the armed forces. If one caught the clap he was demoated in rank and fined.How many people do you think told their higher ups? This caused even a more serious problem down the road.How many people have had back problems /fibromyalgia and have been told that it was in their head and that they need to see a head man.I no that I got of the subject but wasnt floor staff acting like this? That is  was happens when dealing in shear numbers and no accountabillty.From reading other threads it seems the end of the Seed started with a lot of finger pointing.Does it sound familar?



TRUCKER"

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Think my fibro might have come from those hard chairs?   :grin:  Maybe I just knew subconciously that I could get something that would work. 10/325 hyydro's Oh yeah works until you get a little tolerance and when you get to 30-35 a day the risk/reward starts to question itself. Oh shit but by then you can't quit and maybe you start to think that heroin doesn't have any tylenol in it to kill me just the part that helps but thats too scary and when the cure starts really f**king your life up you start thinking maybe the pain wasn't that bad and hope that maybe there is something left of your liver and you want to stop but your afraid to seize and, and, and it just had to be those chairs. So if your lucky you taper and climb   the walls consider yourself lucky to just have some aches and pains even if they get so bad that you don't want to get up. You wake up and realize your in a maze but you walked in of your own volition built your stores and supply lines and locked the door behind you and just where did I leave the key to get back out. And maybe you get desperate because you cn't find the key by yourself and you rant and rave and then remeber that some power one time opened that door for you and you seek that power again and hope he understands why you went back in that maze in the firt place and that he'll let you out before its to late.
"Notes from the other side"

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2005-11-24 10:13:00, TRUCKER wrote:

Could it be that the Staff members were truly misinformed (big head) or just the medical questions were never asked?

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I think they just became too insular. That's what happens when you come to believe that you have "special awareness" that the masses outside the gate just don't have. (poor bastards!)

You quit listening to all critics. And, given the extreme degree of control within this insular group, you get no social proof of any dissent. So you tend to disregard your own perceptions and keep looking to you find a way to believe what everyone else seems to believe. Never mind that my mother, sleeping in the next room on the other side of the locked door probably didn't know it. See, I wouldn't want anyone to think I was trying to get attention or trying to get out of group. And there was no talking behind backs, so no one else could mention it to her.

But those were the conditions necessary to support the illusion that we were all desperate addicts in need of drastic treatment and that this drastic treatment was the only thing that would save our worthless lives.

Fucked up, huh?

Speaking for myself? I definitely needed to see a damned doctor. But it would not occure to me to ask. If staff, group, fosters and my own parents didn't see fit to send me to a doc, why then that was evidence that it wasn't too serious. Never mind that I had to sleep sitting up to avoid a coughing fit and keep breathing.




Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
best state is but a necessary evil ---in its worst state an
intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same
miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without
government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we
furnish the means by which we suffer!


Thomas Paine, Common Sense
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Anonymous:
Were you at the Andrews Ave Seed in 1971?

landyh:

--- Quote ---On 2005-12-03 20:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Were you at the Andrews Ave Seed in 1971?"

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Sorry anon who are you asking? If me then I think I was still around in 71'. I was there for a while after the move from the little house on 3rd.

Antigen:
Hey Landy,
  I missed your post above about fibro. I don't know what's up with that. A lot of ppl have these complaints. And it's a fairly newly developed dx, isn't it? Could it turn out to be like yuppie flu?

  I think there's probably something to the claims about motivating causing longterm damage. Lot of program ppl have just the same back and shoulder probs and medical experts who have examined the question in the course of criminal, civil and regulatory investigations over the years keep on banning the practice on the grounds that it's Not Good® from a medical perspective.

  I think we can all agree that, for better and/or for worse, the Program impacted all of us and our neighbors in profound and unexpected ways. And I think most of us agree that the intentions were good but that no one could have known the full, long term, unintended effects.

  I'm just thankful that I don't have a lot of back trouble. And I would be interested to see, one day, some bonafide, respectable, peer reviewed studies of these issues.


Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798
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