fallwell

[Anonymous]

http://www.slate.com/id/2166220/

[Ursus]

http://www.slate.com/id/2166220/

I hope you don't mind, Guest, but I thought I'd cut and paste it...

On Sept. 11: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' "

On AIDS: "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals."

On homosexuality: "I believe that all of us are born heterosexual, physically created with a plumbing that's heterosexual, and created with the instincts and desires that are basically, fundamentally, heterosexual. But I believe that we have the ability to experiment in every direction. Experimentation can lead to habitual practice, and then to a lifestyle. But I don't believe anyone begins a homosexual."

On Martin Luther King Jr.: "I must personally say that I do question the sincerity and nonviolent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left-wing associations."

On Martin Luther King Jr., four decades later: "You know, I supported Martin Luther King Jr., who did practice civil disobedience."

On public education: "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again, and Christians will be running them."

On the separation of church and state: "There is no separation of church and state."

On feminists: "I listen to feminists and all these radical gals. ... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem."

On global warming: "I can tell you, our grandchildren will laugh at those who predicted global warming. We'll be in global cooling by then, if the Lord hasn't returned. I don't believe a moment of it. The whole thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability."

On Bishop Desmond Tutu: "I think he's a phony, period, as far as representing the black people of South Africa."

On Islam: "I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough of the history of his life, written by both Muslims and non-Muslims, that he was a violent man, a man of war."

On Jews: "In my opinion, the Antichrist will be a counterfeit of the true Christ, which means that he will be male and Jewish, since Jesus was male and Jewish."[/i]

Rest in peace, you blowhard.

[Truth Searcher]

On feminists: "I listen to feminists and all these radical gals. ... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem."

Some people should not be allowed to invoke their 1st amendment rights.    Honestly. :flame:

[Anonymous]

Some people should not be allowed to invoke their 1st amendment rights.    Honestly. :flame:

I disagree.

[Ursus]

Some people should not be allowed to invoke their 1st amendment rights.    Honestly. :flame:

I disagree.

There was some interesting commentary in the MotherJones blog MoJo two days ago about this very subject:  Click HERE for link



The most important result of our relationship was the landmark decision from the Supreme Court that made parody protected speech, and the fact that much of what we see on television and hear on the radio today is a direct result of my having won that now famous case which Falwell played such an important role in.[/i]

Flynt's referring to the 1987 libel lawsuit the reverend filed after Hustler ran a spoof ad in which Falwell described having sex with his mother while "drunk off our God-fearing asses." The Supreme Court ruled 8-0 in favor of Flynt, upholding our First Amendment right to take the piss out of public figures. Amen to that! Now we return to the blowhard-bashing already in progress.

Posted by Dave Gilson on 05/16/07 at 12:19 PM

[Anonymous]

On public education: "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again, and Christians will be running them."

Their ideology is already running dozens of programs at least.

[Ursus]

More posthumous reminiscing re. the First Amendment case:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah5356.shtml



LYNCHBURG, Va (May 15, 2007) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell, the folksy, small-town preacher who used the power of television to found the Moral Majority and turn the Christian right into a mighty force in American politics during the Reagan years, died Tuesday at 73.

One of Falwell's most memorable opponents was Hustler kingpin Larry Flynt, who had a very public legal battle with the Reverend over freedom of speech rights.

At the heart of the case was a satirical ad that ran in Hustler in 1983 with the headline "Jerry Falwell Talks About His First Time," in which the magazine described a drunken Falwell having an incestuous encounter with his mother.


Falwell sued Flynt (pictured together on "Larry King Live" in 1997), alleging libel and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

However, the Supreme Court ruled that a public figure could not recover damages over distress based on satire under the umbrella of free speech.

Upon hearing of his death, Flynt released the following statement to Access Hollywood:

"The Reverend Jerry Falwell and I were arch enemies for fifteen years. We became involved in a lawsuit concerning First Amendment rights and Hustler magazine. Without question, this was my most important battle – the l988 Hustler Magazine, Inc., v. Jerry Falwell case, where after millions of dollars and much deliberation, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in my favor.

My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends. He would visit me in California and we would debate together on college campuses. I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling.

The most important result of our relationship was the landmark decision from the Supreme Court that made parody protected speech, and the fact that much of what we see on television and hear on the radio today is a direct result of my having won that now famous case which Falwell played such an important role in."

Falwell is survived by his wife, Macel, his two sons and a daughter, Jeannie Falwell Savas. Funeral arrangements were not immediately known.

[Deborah]

The poor SOB missed the rapture. Too bad.
Now maybe we can get something done about the environment.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=65925#65925
For many leading Republicans, dying coral reefs and melting ice caps are welcomed as signs of the Rapture.  ::puke::

[Nihilanthic]

On feminists: "I listen to feminists and all these radical gals. ... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem."

Some people should not be allowed to invoke their 1st amendment rights.    Honestly. :flame:

Your post there is a CLEAR sign of hysteria, meaning he was quite right.


















 :rofl:

[ZenAgent]

Text of the ad:

Falwell: My first time was in an outhouse outside Lynchburg, Virginia.

Interviewer: Wasn’t it a little cramped?

Falwell: Not after I kicked the goat out.

Interviewer: I see. You must tell me all about it.

Falwell: I never really expected to make it with Mom, but then after she showed all the other guys in town such a good time, I figured, "What the hell!"

Interviewer: But your Mom? Isn’t that a little odd?

Falwell: I don’t think so. Looks don’t mean that much to me in a woman.

Interviewer: Go on.

Falwell: Well, we were drunk off our God-fearing asses on Campari, ginger ale and soda—that’s called a Fire and Brimstone—at the time. And Mom looked better than a Baptist whore with a $100 donation.

Interviewer: Campari in the crapper with Mom. How interesting. Well, how was it?

Falwell: The Campari was great but Mom passed out before I could come.

Interviewer: Did you ever try it again?

Falwell: Sure. Lots of times. But not in the outhouse. Between Mom and the shit, the flies were too much to bear.

Interviewer: We meant the Campari.

Falwell: Oh, yeah, I always get sloshed before I go to the pulpit. You don’t think I could lay down all that bullshit sober do you?

Campari, like all liquor, was made to mix you up. It's a light, 48-proof, refreshing spirit, just mild enough to make you drink too much before you know you're schnockered. For your first time, mix it with orange juice. Or maybe some white wine. Then you won't remember anything the next morning. Campari. The mixable that smarts.



There is a dark secret in the House of Zen...my uncle went to some  Evangelical school for preachers, and on the future Bible-thumpers graduation day, Jerry Falwell descended from the heavens (in a helicopter) and gave a five minute speech, then laid hands on the new recruits and ordained them all.  Twenty minutes was all it took for fifty fools to get Big Jer's blessing and a diploma.

Falwell is (was) a hero to my uncle.  My uncle also enjoys telling tasteless racist jokes, refuses to shake hands with Jews, and was forced to flee in shame from a very large church he controlled when the congregation discovered Uncle E. was fucking one of his flock.  A deacon's wife, too, which made it all the worse.  Yeah, the congregation was mad, but Uncle E.'s wife was even more pissed...

Oh, well.  My father and I are considered the "black sheep" of the family, since we'd both rather have a boiling oil enema than enter some Charismatic Evangelist shithole.  Considering how Uncle E. behaved with that one sheep in his flock, I stay the fuck away from him.

My wife thinks it's odd that I'm well-versed in the Bible, I could give most Theology students a run for their money.  I started studying it when I was twelve for the sole purpose of being able to kick my uncle's ass in a debate on the "Word of Gawd".  Never happened, although I did refer to the Bible as a "pus-bag filled with lies and contradictions" right to his pompous, self-righteous face.  I think he shat himself.  I only partially agree with that analysis of the Bible, that comment was made in a show of teenage bravado.

You can be assured ol' Uncle E. is convinced I'm in league with the Great Horned One.  Maybe I should send an email to Uncle E. expressing my sympathies on the loss of Falwell, and add a picture of the blubbery founder of the Moral Majority getting a pitchfork up his flabby ass.  I mean, Falwell's got a lot to answer for, but getting the Christian right to throw their support and votes to Dubya Bush is a sin so fucked-up that Falwell's pathetic soul will be eternally tormented in a fashion so vile, Satan himself pukes at the sight.

In conclusion, good riddance to bad rubbish. The one thing that could make this news sweeter would be the discovery of Pat Robertson's naked body surrounded by issues of Hustler, with the cause of death listed as "auto-erotic asphyxiation".

[Fire Swamp]

Oh, well. My father and I are considered the "black sheep" of the family, since we'd both rather have a boiling oil enema than enter some Charismatic Evangelist shithole. Considering how Uncle E. behaved with that one sheep in his flock, I stay the fuck away from him.

 :lol:

[ZenAgent]

Oh, well. My father and I are considered the "black sheep" of the family, since we'd both rather have a boiling oil enema than enter some Charismatic Evangelist shithole. Considering how Uncle E. behaved with that one sheep in his flock, I stay the fuck away from him.

 :lol:

Yeah, I keep waiting for Jesus:  Die Harder2 to come out.  I don't think Uncle E. goes to the movies, not even to see The Passion of the Christ.  The only reason I went to see that Aramaic turd was because I thought it was a soft-porn movie about J.C. getting his swerve on with a bunch of chicks named Mary.  Man, was I disappointed.  It was just some masochist who ended up nailed to a telephone pole or something in the end.

I remember when I was a nipper, the fucking Preacher called everyone in our family to forbid us to see Monty Python's Life of Brian.  My dad said "Fuck that pious hypocrite," and we went to see it twice.

[Anonymous]

We nailed you to a cross, but you're still a fucking pain
Dead 2000 years, still can't get it through your brain
You're just a worthless corpse, you're just a pile of shit
Give me a couple of nails, and I'll ventilate your pit

Jesus entering from the rear
Fucking you in the ass
Just another faggot
In just another mass

We won't take it any more, we just won't take that trash
You're another stupid martyr with another rectal rash
We won't take you in the butt, we're just waiting for the when
We've got a lot of nails to do it to you again

You thought it would be cute, you thought it would be fun
But wait 'til I split your shitter with a soldering gun
Jesus on a plate, Jesus a la carte
Jesus under glass, just another fucking tart