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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I'm going to be a pain in the butt so please forgive me but....


--- Quote ---I agree with you though that 6 months of employemnt is an alarmingly high turnover & if dossier is typical of programme staff then it is distrubing that they employ underpaid and underqualified kids.
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Nationwide teacher turnover rate is 50% in the first 5 years, 10% each year. Does that mean we should stop having teachers due to high turn over rate? I can tell you part of the reason on a high turn over is being overworked and underpaid.
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So...let me do the math for you.  These "counselors" are TWELVE TIMES more likely to leave than a teacher.  That's BAD.

Also, your analogy is completely faulty because continuity of teachers in a kid's life is wholly less important than continuity of caregivers.

This argument is a non-starter.

This place sounds like more of the same: uneducated, unlicensed staff working with kids who really need a good therapist and special education.  There are "levels" and "consequences."  This is just more of the same ol' same ol'...

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---So...let me do the math for you. These "counselors" are TWELVE TIMES more likely to leave than a teacher. That's BAD.
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Thank you for doing the math for a math teacher  :D

I know little about these programs but I can tell you one thing, it is very very difficult to find a good therapist let alone a good special education teacher. I have worked with special educaiton teachers who are "qualified" that I would never leave alone with students and I have meet people "unqualified" who would make awesome behavioral special education teachers. Education is important, but it cannot replace a God given talent.

Oz girl:
qualification can be combined with "god given talent" though. How can it not be a red flag that a facility which deals with troubled children will hire young people who may well be dedicated & genuinely passionate about what they are trying to do but who have no qualifications in the area, are not well paid (according to the young staffer who posted) and who understandably become burnt out after six months.
How does this not sound like a recepie for potential trouble?
Also given what parents are paying, why would a school committed to putting the kids first not feel an ethical obligation to provide immediate care staff who had some credentials in the area as well as just passion.

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---qualification can be combined with "god given talent" though. How can it not be a red flag that a facility which deals with troubled children will hire young people who may well be dedicated & genuinely passionate about what they are trying to do but who have no qualifications in the area, are not well paid (according to the young staffer who posted) and who understandably become burnt out after six months.
How does this not sound like a recepie for potential trouble?
Also given what parents are paying, why would a school committed to putting the kids first not feel an ethical obligation to provide immediate care staff who had some credentials in the area as well as just passion.
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Please don't think I am arguing with you.

The person I am thinking of who is not qualified but is awesome with "at-risk" students is not qualified because getting qualification is not as easy as one might think. Many places require an EMT or WFR which takes time and money to obtain, something most young adults don't have a lot of. To become a Special-Ed B(behavioral) requires additional one to two years of schooling on top of the 5 years it already takes to become a teacher - which once again is time and money.  As for underpaid, anyone who works with kids, particularly  "at-risk" kids is always underpaid - it's the industry and nothing more. And if you spent a lot of time with "at-risk" kids like these people do day in and day out you would realize why the turn over rate is so high. They wear you out physically and emotionally and it's hard to be on top of your game 24-7 to keep up with whatever surprise might come up.

I realize there are red flags, but I also realize nothing is prefect either. I am not saying one way or another if I would send my child there, if I had one. But realize there may be a logically reason to why AEG hires who they do, instead of just picking random people to fill up the spots.  (and no I don't work for them, promise!)

Oz girl:
Sure fair point. & i recognise it is not easy to get a specialist qualification and that work in the human services is often not as well paid as in other professions. However, i dont think anywhere worth it's salt would make the majority of it's ground level staff minimum wage kids who are naturally going to become burnt out, particularly with such minimal training. These kids should be working in summer camps & programmes should be hiring fully trained experts.

One thing that dossier mentioned that was a big red flag for me was that in the case of stone mountain they encourage parents to pop in & see their kids but few parents do. This suggests to me that for all of the tough talk about it being a difficult decision a lot of parents are in fact warehousing their kids at this place & others.

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