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« on: October 22, 2005, 10:50:00 PM »
http://gr.bolt.com/articles/violence/violence.htm

Thanks to the current media frenzy and barrage of lawsuits surrounding violent video games, I can?t tell people what I do for a living without getting a lecture on the current plague of youth violence and the scourge that is Grand Theft Auto. I decided it was time for a rebuttal more effective than shrugging and saying, ?Well, I think you?re wrong.?

So I sat down to write this article, and started doing some research. What I discovered startled me. I'm not sure I have the ability to write a totally serious piece - it is not in my nature to be serious, nor the nature of GR - but the issues are very serious indeed and the evidence is very real.

I am even going to use charts. With words on 'em. We spare no expense.

First off, I have absolute proof that video games are not the cause of this epidemic of youth violence in America. No, really, I do. Ready?

There is no epidemic of youth violence in America.

The whole concept is a lie manufactured, distributed and perpetuated by the media. Kids are not killing each other more frequently than they used to. In fact, it turns out the opposite is true.

Check out that ugly graph on the right. It doesn't take a genius to conclude that violent crime is at the lowest it has been in a good thirty years. For effect, I?ve also marked the release of the Playstation console, the first Grand Theft Auto game, the PS2 console, and the infamous GTA 3. Wow, look at those surges in violence!



Believe it or not, I got that graph - and all the others in this piece - directly from the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Statistics. All I added was the video game timeline. This isn?t some privately-funded poll or crazy game journalist defense mechanism - this is the actual, most recent government data on crime as used by the FBI. The fact that they all max out at 2003 is irritating, but this debate has raged much longer than the past few months.

Please understand that I?m not a conspiracy theorist. I don?t think that there are any aliens at Area 51. I know that AIDS was not created in a secret government lab, I believe that men really landed on the moon, and I am 100% certain that Sasquatch shot JFK with the help of the Loch Ness monster. But something clearly isn?t right here. The government and the media just can?t go around making this stuff up, right?



Something must be missing. That first graph is the overall violent crime rate, and we?re talking about youth violence here. So I found the data sorted by age, and it turns out that through 2002, youth homicide actually dropped across the board, the only increase being among adults. If I may quote directly from the D.O.J. report, ?Recently, the offending rates for 14-17 year-olds reached the lowest levels ever recorded.?

The lowest levels ever recorded. In other words, the Playstation era has, in fact, produced the most non-violent kids ever. But I thought video games were training children to kill? I?m sure I read something like that here and here and here and here and here and here.

To be fair, there have been about 300 studies on the effects of violent media, about 30 of which have been about video games. Most have found little to no connection, although some studies found a small, casual correlation between aggressive people and violent media.

Even if true, this does not necessarily mean violent media has created aggressive people. It is more likely that aggressive people are attracted to violent media. Blaming violent media would be like going to the opera, noticing that most people there are rich, and concluding that opera makes people rich. (Classical opera, by the way, is chock full of lust, incest, murder, suicide, and revenge.)

In an analysis of the risk factors of youth violence by the Surgeon General of the United States of America, violent media is categorized as ?Small Effect Size.? In fact, there are 27 risk factors rated higher than exposure to violent media, like socioeconomic status, academic failure, poor parent-child relations, weak social ties, and being male. Quick! Ban all the males!



So is the media and the government flat out lying to us? Yes, and they have been doing so for years. As touched on in the rabble-rousing films of Michael Moore, fear sells. It?s how you turn terrible tragedies like Columbine and the WTC Attack into election votes and must-see TV.

The media in particular loves to bash video games, making sure to point out any time there?s an Xbox within 50 yards of a crime. This is because games are the new competition - every hour you spend interacting with a game is one hour less spent drooling in front of their fear-mongering programming.

And it's working. Sparked by Columbine, mainstream media routinely paints a picture of gamers as odd shut-ins dangerously close to the precipice of violent behavior, and almost unerringly misconstrue the games themselves without taking the time to fact check, as is the case in the very first sentence of this CBS News report. Points for killing cops in GTA? Do games still have points?

Gaming is also a new medium, one that has recently become wildly successful. Young people play them and old folks don?t understand, so they must be bad. Don?t forget that in the 1950?s, rock and roll was linked to youth violence in the same way. The hedonistic, tribal rhythms were going to turn America?s youth into a bunch of violent maniacs. Rock and roll was banned and censored all over the country. A bill was even put before Congress in 1955 to ban rock and roll altogether.

Something exactly like what is happening now. Sorry guys, I don?t care what people say, rock and roll is here to stay.

Let me be perfectly clear: Grand Theft Auto is a best-selling adult game that should not be played by 12 year-olds. That?s why it?s rated ?M? and you have to be 17 to buy it. However, most games are not like GTA. In 2004, 54% of games were rated ?E? for Everyone, 33% were rated ?T? for Teen, and only 12% were rated ?M? for Mature. The vast majority of the best-selling titles every year are not rated ?M.? Compare that to the 55% of movies rated ?R? and only 8% rated ?G.? The ESRB might not get it right all the time, but who does? (Sources: the ESRB and the NPD Group).

And after all, there?s no problem with R-rated movies or mature rap lyrics or violent video games, because there is no problem with youth violence. The most disgusting thing to me is that some truly horrible high-school tragedies are being exploited by the media, and somehow, I'm part of the problem.

The truth is that these are the most non-violent kids we have ever had, and they all own Playstations. The government is so desperate to find some youth crime to crack down on that they?re strip-searching kids for 10 bucks while locking up 11 year-old girls for throwing rocks and eating french fries. The most peaceful generation of Americans in recorded history is being shoved through metal detectors, having their civil rights violated on a daily basis, are the victims of unreasonable search and seizure, and are treated with constant suspicion.

All because of a media lie. If nothing else can incite them to violence, maybe that will.

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Updated: October 19, 2005

The FBI has just released its 2004 crime report. The results? The violent crime rate has further dropped 2.2% since 2003. The number of murders is down by 2.4%. And our violent youth? "As for trends in arrests of juveniles for violent crime, a comparison of 2004 data with those of 2003 indicated that the number of juveniles arrested for violent crimes declined 0.8 percent, 5.5 percent compared with 2000 data, and 30.9 percent compared with 1995 figures."

So the murder rate hit a new 40 year low in 2004, good news indeed for those of us lucky enough to live in the United States during this era of peace. The best selling video game of 2004? Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.



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So yeah, I even posted the pretty pictures in here for you.

Its all a lie, and *gasp* violent video games reduce violence by giving them an outlet just like masturbating prevents you from going out and having sex with the likes of whores, sluts, and the occasional farm animal.

Whats next, scratching relieves itch?  :roll:

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2005, 11:03:00 PM »
However, if you play Katamari Damacy, you WILL have to resist the urge to roll things up into balls in the real world, a lot of times with your car while you are driving.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2005, 11:49:00 PM »


Truly a dangerous game! WATCH OUT!

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2005, 11:53:00 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2005, 05:24:00 AM »
OMG that's fucking hilarious.
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2005, 11:02:00 AM »
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100% certain that Sasquatch shot JFK with the help of the Loch Ness monster


Nope, it was special forces, and the mob working together.. well the mob supplied the patsy at least. You actually believe the lone gunmen story?
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2005, 11:03:00 AM »
Before video games it was toy guns the worry warts were after. My neighbors wouldn't let their kids play with us because we loved playing army with our toy guns.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2005, 11:18:00 PM »
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you, Niles!

I printed your entire article, including the pretty, full color graphics so I can show these idiots the simple truth the next time they bring this up.

I can now say, without embarassment or shame, that I am proud that my eight-year-old and I conquered both Halo I and Halo II on co-op mode. We are now taking on the evil doers with the Hulk. We have an xBox.

My favorite games for the xBox are the Burnout series. Lo and behold, I have not had a moving violation since 1985 (and I drive a WRX, and previously owned a Mustang GT).

I remember reading about two boys who shot at some cars from a bridge. They blamed GTA. GTA's makers came back with some valid points:
 
1. 50 million copies sold worldwide and only two people go and shoot someone.
 
2. At no time in GTA do you shoot a rifle from a bridge.
 
3. How can you say it was 'this' game when certainly these two kids have seen many movies, TV shows, news shows, and other games containing violence?
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2005, 11:23:00 PM »
Well growing up in a city that had (if I remember correctly) two kids shot because they aimed a toy gun at a cop... I didn't mind my mother restricting the use
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2005, 11:42:00 PM »
Although I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion... I don't think you showing the drop in violence of youth in correlation to the rise of the video game industry as a proper justification for your argument...
It is true that when I was a teen (90's), youth violence was very high... It is also true that there were video games such as "Contra" <== I think, on the sega genesis or nintendo (can't remember) that were killing people... I don't see much of a correlation in that though... There are so many factors to be judged, and frankly I don't think anyone can blame violence on any one thing...
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2005, 02:51:00 AM »
I think that when people tried to say video games caused crime it was DEBUNKED. And that cant be argued against, as CRIME IS GOING DOWN WHILE VIDEO GAMES ARE GOING UP!

LOL isn't that funny.

BTW, if you wanna see a video game with a lot of freedom and grit, play Fallout2. Lesse... Ive been good, and evil. Ive whored myself out for money in New Reno or in the desert to gecko trappers in exchange for skins... playing a male OR female character. You can get hitched in a town called Modoc to a man or a woman, regardless of your character's gender. You can steal, kill, etc basically whoever you want. You can deal, or use drugs - and in 2200 something they got stuff that actually is useful. Anti radiation drugs, or temporary bonuses to strength, agility, intelligence... you name it.

Oh, and youre able to break up the distribution of "Jet" or even stop its production totally. Same for Slavers - you can join em, or kill em. Hell, the crime families in New Reno are yours to join, serve, steal from, or eradicate.

Its also funny as hell when you go "WTF?" at a computer and it accesses the slang dictionary and spells shit out for you, or you run into a thinly veiled monty python gag, or find a picture of elvis in crashed UFO. lol. Hell, one part of the game (optional of course) involves a ballgag and spending the night with a bored guy you met in a bar if you lose a wager.... :silly: its good venting.   Same for the First Citizen of Vault City.. GAWD what a bitch!!

To say the drug war is a failure is like saying the Hindenburg was short a few fire extinguishers.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2005, 04:04:00 AM »
Can you imagine if modern day violence was influenced by RPG games? We'd have a whole mess of turn-based fighting going on out in the streets.

And a lot of people walking around waiting for random encounters...
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2005, 03:12:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-23 20:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well growing up in a city that had (if I remember correctly) two kids shot because they aimed a toy gun at a cop... I didn't mind my mother restricting the use"


theres a term for those kids: retarded!
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2005, 05:46:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-24 01:04:00, sorry... try another castle wrote:

"Can you imagine if modern day violence was influenced by RPG games? We'd have a whole mess of turn-based fighting going on out in the streets.



And a lot of people walking around waiting for random encounters...
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2005, 06:36:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-24 14:46:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

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On 2005-10-24 01:04:00, sorry... try another castle wrote:


"Can you imagine if modern day violence was influenced by RPG games? We'd have a whole mess of turn-based fighting going on out in the streets.





And a lot of people walking around waiting for random encounters...

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*POPUP*

Do you want to encounter: Bush Administration

y/n?

"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."

--William S. Burroughs

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You encounter BUSH with 3 slimes.

Slime 1 attacks for 4 damage. You are poisoned.
Slime 2 attacks for 6 damage.
Slime 3 attacks for 2 damage.
BUSH casts patriot missile and misses.
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